Chiefs Joeckel vs. Alberts

**BossChief** · 02-22-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Why trade him? The Chiefs have a ton of money to spend. Sign Albert for LT money and draft Joeckel for cheap rookie money and play them wherever you want to. Eventually, if not initially, move Albert and let Joeckel take over at LT. A few years down the road, either force Albert to take a pay cut or release him because you've got someone cheaper ready to take his spot. If all goes according to plan, then it will be time to resign Joeckel to his LT 2nd contract.

FTR, I'm not advocating this, but it wouldn't bother me if something like this happened as long as QB was also addressed in some fashion. It would be infinitely better than intentionally letting Albert walk and replacing him with Joeckel.

Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.

Using your scenerio we assume that we resign or franchise Albert. Then how high would Barrett Jones be drafted and is he the best C prospect?

O.city · 02-22-2013, 11:37 PM

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Using your scenerio we assume that we resign or franchise Albert. Then how high would Barrett Jones be drafted and is he the best C prospect?

You can probably get the best C prospect in the 3 or 4th round. Jones has a lis franc injury so he'll probably drop.

patteeu · 02-22-2013, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You can probably get the best C prospect in the 3 or 4th round. Jones has a lis franc injury so he'll probably drop.

Yikes

patteeu · 02-22-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.

That would be a pretty solid outcome, IMO.

If they drafted Joeckel according to my theory (of keeping both), it would be with the long term (~ a decade or so) in mind. I'm not as sure about Asamoah as you are and I think the jury is still out on Allen. Hopefully at least one of them is actually a long term stud and Hudson comes back strong either at G or C.

O.city · 02-22-2013, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

That would be a pretty solid outcome, IMO.

If they drafted Joeckel according to my theory (of keeping both), it would be with the long term (~ a decade or so) in mind. I'm not as sure about Asamoah as you are and I think the jury is still out on Allen. Hopefully at least one of them is actually a long term stud and Hudson comes back strong either at G or C.

There's just no way you can keep both. Financially and in terms of Albert signing, it won't work.

patteeu · 02-22-2013, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

There's just no way you can keep both. Financially and in terms of Albert signing, it won't work.

Why won't it work? Like I said, you'd only be paying one player legit LT money and the Chiefs have plenty of room under the cap. Teams with less cap room do that all the time.

-King- · 02-22-2013, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Why won't it work? Like I said, you'd only be paying one player legit LT money and the Chiefs have plenty of room under the cap. Teams with less cap room do that all the time.

Name one team.

patteeu · 02-23-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Name one team.

OK, Cleveland pays Joe Thomas big LT money.

-King- · 02-23-2013, 12:27 AM

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OK, Cleveland pays Joe Thomas big LT money.

Yeah? And?

O.city · 02-22-2013, 11:45 PM

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Why won't it work? Like I said, you'd only be paying one player legit LT money and the Chiefs have plenty of room under the cap. Teams with less cap room do that all the time.

No they don't. Sorry, but it's just not an idea that will work.

You have to franchise Albert. He's not going to sign on then be moved to guard. If you franchise him, he can sit out.

He doesnt' want to play guard and he probably won't.

patteeu · 02-23-2013, 12:29 AM

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No they don't. Sorry, but it's just not an idea that will work.

You have to franchise Albert. He's not going to sign on then be moved to guard. If you franchise him, he can sit out.

He doesnt' want to play guard and he probably won't.

He doesn't get paid if he sits out. Very few players are willing to pass up $10+ million.

And yes they do. Several of them do. Are you under the impression that LTs never get paid?

O.city · 02-23-2013, 12:31 AM

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He doesn't get paid if he sits out. Very few players are willing to pass up $10+ million.

And yes they do. Several of them do. Are you under the impression that LTs never get paid?

What team pays a guys LT money then moves him to G and drafts another LT?

Of course teams pay LTs big money. But they stay at LT.

O.city · 02-23-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

He doesn't get paid if he sits out. Very few players are willing to pass up $10+ million.

And yes they do. Several of them do. Are you under the impression that LTs never get paid?

And IIRC, if you franchise him at LT, he has to play LT otherwise he would be classified as a G.

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

That would be a pretty solid outcome, IMO.

If they drafted Joeckel according to my theory (of keeping both), it would be with the long term (~ a decade or so) in mind. I'm not as sure about Asamoah as you are and I think the jury is still out on Allen. Hopefully at least one of them is actually a long term stud and Hudson comes back strong either at G or C.

What are the chances Jones makes it to the 3rd round? IMO we have to address the CB situation in round 2.