Football I'm calling it now: EJ Manuel will the #1 pick by the Chiefs - Page 7

**SAUTO** · 02-23-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, here's the thing.

This thread ISN'T ABOUT GENO.

It's about EJ Manuel.

But anytime you say anything critical about one of the QBs in the draft, the auto-answer is "well, Geno didn't..."

**** that. Yeah, I do like Geno. But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my opinion on EJ ****ing Manuel.

Sorry, I understand now
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Fat Elvis · 02-23-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.

First downs in 2012:

UVW- 329
FSU- 322

Chiefnj2 · 02-23-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

First downs in 2012:

UVW- 329
FSU- 322

Also, according to CFBstats. EJ had 80 passes of 15+ yards and 32 that went 25+. Smith, with nearly 125 MORE attempts, had 80 passes of 15+ yards and 39 that went 25+.

Chiefnj2 · 02-23-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.

You are comparing apples to oranges. I was talking about over 20 yards only.

Their respective gameplans called for them to throw deep the same relative percentage. Yes, Smith is going to have more overall completions (and incompletions) because he had more attempts.

B14ckmon · 02-23-2013, 01:27 PM

And people wonder why I went from a relatively contributing poster to a hater.

It's because I came here to discuss QBs in the draft, and found out it's impossible to talk about anyone but Geno without a bunch of internet gangsters breaking out the lotion.

suds79 · 02-23-2013, 01:32 PM

I think it's a moot point to compare EJ to Gino. we all know the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Gino with the number 1 pick. that being said, I think EJ should be in the conversation for that second rounder.

it just depends what quarterbacks are left.

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:43 PM

How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

suds79 · 02-23-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

Kap seems thinner and overall more athletic. A speed, athletic type of QB.

EJ strikes me as more of a thick built power QB. I can see the Culpepper comparison.

Chiefnj2 · 02-23-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

I don't think their run stats are/were close. EJ had around 300 yards rushing and Kap had about 1300 his SR year.

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I don't think their run stats are/were close. EJ had around 300 yards rushing and Kap had about 1300 his SR year.

Ah OK. Keep seeing people indicating Manuel would be a good pistol/spread option QB. Perhaps that is unfounded.

Chiefnj2 · 02-23-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

Ah OK. Keep seeing people indicating Manuel would be a good pistol/spread option QB. Perhaps that is unfounded.

I think people say that because everyone else is strictly a pocket passer and EJ has some ability to scramble.

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I think people say that because everyone else is strictly a pocket passer and EJ has some ability to scramble.

He doesn't just have the ability to scramble. He can flat out run.

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:45 PM

OVERVIEW
Kaepernick has enough physical tools to be viewed as a developmental backup quarterback prospect. Experienced, competitive, productive and durable but very raw in terms of making NFL reads and throws. Will need to become accustomed to making pro-style progressions and must improve overall accuracy. Arm strength is good but needs to tighten up his delivery and work on getting the ball out on time with more consistency. Can make a lot of plays with his feet but will be too confident at times and take unnecessary sacks. Kaepernick will likely attract a team with his measurables and outstanding intangibles. His stock has risen considerably with solid workouts, so expect him to be taken some time in the second to third round.

Frankie · 02-23-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

OVERVIEW
Kaepernick has enough physical tools to be viewed as a developmental backup quarterback prospect. Experienced, competitive, productive and durable but very raw in terms of making NFL reads and throws. Will need to become accustomed to making pro-style progressions and must improve overall accuracy. Arm strength is good but needs to tighten up his delivery and work on getting the ball out on time with more consistency. Can make a lot of plays with his feet but will be too confident at times and take unnecessary sacks. Kaepernick will likely attract a team with his measurables and outstanding intangibles. His stock has risen considerably with solid workouts, so expect him to be taken some time in the second to third round.

I SO wanted him for the Chiefs in the 2nd round.

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:48 PM

Ugh... NFL.com compares Manuel to Blaine Gabbert.

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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	I think it's a moot point to compare EJ to Gino. we all know the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Gino with the number 1 pick. that being said, I think EJ should be in the conversation for that second rounder. it just depends what quarterbacks are left.
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02-23-2013, 01:43 PM	#7
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison? They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?
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02-23-2013, 01:45 PM	#13
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	OVERVIEW Kaepernick has enough physical tools to be viewed as a developmental backup quarterback prospect. Experienced, competitive, productive and durable but very raw in terms of making NFL reads and throws. Will need to become accustomed to making pro-style progressions and must improve overall accuracy. Arm strength is good but needs to tighten up his delivery and work on getting the ball out on time with more consistency. Can make a lot of plays with his feet but will be too confident at times and take unnecessary sacks. Kaepernick will likely attract a team with his measurables and outstanding intangibles. His stock has risen considerably with solid workouts, so expect him to be taken some time in the second to third round.
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02-23-2013, 01:48 PM	#15
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Ugh... NFL.com compares Manuel to Blaine Gabbert.
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