Football I'm calling it now: EJ Manuel will the #1 pick by the Chiefs - Page 9

Fat Elvis · 02-22-2013, 11:34 PM

I know this won't be popular, but I think this will be the guy that the Chiefs pick as their franchise QB. There are a couple of reasons for this: 1) I think mentally and in terms of leadership, this guy will knock it out of the park at the combine. This guy knows real adversity. This past year he played ball and kept his head in the game even though his mother was battling cancer. 2) He doesn't fold during big games. He is only the second college QB in history to win four straight bowl games. 3) He played in a pro-style offense while at FSU. 4) He has the measurables to be a truly franchise QB-- he can both pass and run (if needed) giving our O an added dimension we hadn't had in the past. 5) He isn't afraid of competition; he went to the senior bowl and wound up MVP. 6) The guy is tough as nails; he played with a broken leg during the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl Game in a Victory over Notre Dame.

Yeah, he has quite a few negatives, and a lot of you just flat out hate him--but given Dorsey's comments about how impressed he was with Russell Wilson's interview last year--I think Manuel will give a similar impression of his leadership and maturity to coaches this year.

Reid isn't afraid to take a QB that others rate lower than the consensus; McNabb was the 4th rated QB in his class when Andy drafted him.

While at this point I'd still rather have Geno, I'm prepping myself to like Manuel as I think he has a chnace to be the dark horse pick by the Chiefs. (And no, he won't be there in the second round; I think the senior bowl and the combine will really elevate his stock.)

**RealSNR** · 02-23-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You said I argued EJ was one of the top prospects in this draft. Where did I do that?

Do you think Geno Smith is one of the top prospects in this class of QBs?

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I don't think their run stats are/were close. EJ had around 300 yards rushing and Kap had about 1300 his SR year.

Ah OK. Keep seeing people indicating Manuel would be a good pistol/spread option QB. Perhaps that is unfounded.

Chiefnj2 · 02-23-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Do you think Geno Smith is one of the top prospects in this class of QBs?

Yes

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 01:52 PM

Reid isn't going switch to the pistol anyway

**RealSNR** · 02-23-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Yes

So why are you posting all of these EJ Manuel stats that compare him favorably to Smith?

Chiefnj2 · 02-23-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

Ah OK. Keep seeing people indicating Manuel would be a good pistol/spread option QB. Perhaps that is unfounded.

I think people say that because everyone else is strictly a pocket passer and EJ has some ability to scramble.

Chiefnj2 · 02-23-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

So why are you posting all of these EJ Manuel stats that compare him favorably to Smith?

To attempt to educate people making claims like EJ couldn't move the chains and I like Smith but don't like EJ because EJ has a crap long ball.

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I think people say that because everyone else is strictly a pocket passer and EJ has some ability to scramble.

He doesn't just have the ability to scramble. He can flat out run.

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

To attempt to educate people making claims like EJ couldn't move the chains and I like Smith but don't like EJ because EJ has a crap long ball.

Way to WAY oversimplify the argument.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-23-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

Not comparable at all. Kaep has a stronger, more accurate arm, more touch on his passes, makes better reads, and is a better runner. Manuel isn't as fast or elusive as Kaep. I liked Kaepernick in 2011 (took him in the 2nd rd of the CP mock). Manuel won't amount to anything, IMO. As I've stated over and over and over.

To me his ceiling - which I don't think he'll ever reach - is Aaron Brooks.

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 02:13 PM

Overview
Once considered the top recruit out of high school, Manuel will be one of the more debated quarterback prospects between now and next April.
After redshirting in 2008, he made several starts as a freshman and sophomore in relief of an oft-injured Christian Ponder, recording a 4-2 record as a starter. Manuel became the full-time starter last season, starting all but one game and finishing second in the ACC with a 65.3% completion mark. He had only 18 scores through the air, but also threw just eight interceptions, including none over the last five games (121 straight passes).

A potential Heisman candidate entering 2012, Manuel put up big statistics but did not perform well in the Seminoles' marquee game - a home loss to in-state rival Florida.

Manuel is a likely candidate to be overdrafted next April because of his intriguing physical tools.

Analysis
The Virginia native passes the eye test with a tall, strong frame and the arm strength to spin the ball downfield. He has the legs to extend and make plays.
Manuel is an intriuging NFL prospect because of his raw physical and athletic tools, but will need to prove to NFL scouts that he is just as talented with the mental part of the game before he is labeled as a top 50 prospect.

Manuel made poor decisions throwing into coverage and failed to see the entire field on several downfield passes if FSU's Nov. 24 loss to Florida, something that has plagued him throughout his career. He routinely held the ball too long in the pocket and seemed rattled by pressure, creating much concern among NFL teams about his ability to quickly read the defense, process and anticipate open windows.

On a good note, Manuel showed off his outstanding arm strength and athleticism, flashing the footwork and agility to avoid the rush and pick up big chunks of yards with his legs. But he will need a strong showing during Senior Bowl week to help his draft stock.

--Dane Brugler

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 02:14 PM

Latest News
02/20/2013 - 2013 NFL Combine, Workout warriors: While most of Florida State quarterback EJ Manuel's issues are mental and in regards to his decision-making, he is an outstanding athlete for his size (6-foot-4, 237) with quick feet to evade pressure and the long-striding speed to out-run defenders downfield. He should perform well in the 40 and other drills. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

RunKC · 02-23-2013, 02:19 PM

EJ is pretty confident. Says he's best QB in the class.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ories=obinsite

Cannibal · 02-23-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

EJ is pretty confident. Says he's best QB in the class.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ories=obinsite

From the article:

"I don't think I have to be Colin Kaepernick. I don't have to be Russell Wilson. I can be E.J. Manuel. But I do see a lot of my abilities in those guys. When I saw those guys having success this year, it gave me a lot more confidence going into the draft," he said.

"Knowing that that kind of quarterback — a guy who can run and throw, not necessarily run first, but who can throw the ball and also have that run threat — it's more accepted now. Whereas five or 10 years ago, it really wasn't accepted. And you definitely didn't want to act like you run. You just wanted to sit in the pocket the whole time. Now, it's more embraced as a quarterback."

Setsuna · 02-23-2013, 02:44 PM

He still sucks to high heaven. Anyone else who doesn't agree needs to remove themselves from society.

02-22-2013, 11:34 PM
Fat Elvis Sexiest Athlete Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $-2028075	I'm calling it now: EJ Manuel will the #1 pick by the Chiefs I know this won't be popular, but I think this will be the guy that the Chiefs pick as their franchise QB. There are a couple of reasons for this: 1) I think mentally and in terms of leadership, this guy will knock it out of the park at the combine. This guy knows real adversity. This past year he played ball and kept his head in the game even though his mother was battling cancer. 2) He doesn't fold during big games. He is only the second college QB in history to win four straight bowl games. 3) He played in a pro-style offense while at FSU. 4) He has the measurables to be a truly franchise QB-- he can both pass and run (if needed) giving our O an added dimension we hadn't had in the past. 5) He isn't afraid of competition; he went to the senior bowl and wound up MVP. 6) The guy is tough as nails; he played with a broken leg during the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl Game in a Victory over Notre Dame. Yeah, he has quite a few negatives, and a lot of you just flat out hate him--but given Dorsey's comments about how impressed he was with Russell Wilson's interview last year--I think Manuel will give a similar impression of his leadership and maturity to coaches this year. Reid isn't afraid to take a QB that others rate lower than the consensus; McNabb was the 4th rated QB in his class when Andy drafted him. While at this point I'd still rather have Geno, I'm prepping myself to like Manuel as I think he has a chnace to be the dark horse pick by the Chiefs. (And no, he won't be there in the second round; I think the senior bowl and the combine will really elevate his stock.)
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Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Overview Once considered the top recruit out of high school, Manuel will be one of the more debated quarterback prospects between now and next April. After redshirting in 2008, he made several starts as a freshman and sophomore in relief of an oft-injured Christian Ponder, recording a 4-2 record as a starter. Manuel became the full-time starter last season, starting all but one game and finishing second in the ACC with a 65.3% completion mark. He had only 18 scores through the air, but also threw just eight interceptions, including none over the last five games (121 straight passes). A potential Heisman candidate entering 2012, Manuel put up big statistics but did not perform well in the Seminoles' marquee game - a home loss to in-state rival Florida. Manuel is a likely candidate to be overdrafted next April because of his intriguing physical tools. Analysis The Virginia native passes the eye test with a tall, strong frame and the arm strength to spin the ball downfield. He has the legs to extend and make plays. Manuel is an intriuging NFL prospect because of his raw physical and athletic tools, but will need to prove to NFL scouts that he is just as talented with the mental part of the game before he is labeled as a top 50 prospect. Manuel made poor decisions throwing into coverage and failed to see the entire field on several downfield passes if FSU's Nov. 24 loss to Florida, something that has plagued him throughout his career. He routinely held the ball too long in the pocket and seemed rattled by pressure, creating much concern among NFL teams about his ability to quickly read the defense, process and anticipate open windows. On a good note, Manuel showed off his outstanding arm strength and athleticism, flashing the footwork and agility to avoid the rush and pick up big chunks of yards with his legs. But he will need a strong showing during Senior Bowl week to help his draft stock. --Dane Brugler
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02-23-2013, 02:14 PM	#132
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Latest News 02/20/2013 - 2013 NFL Combine, Workout warriors: While most of Florida State quarterback EJ Manuel's issues are mental and in regards to his decision-making, he is an outstanding athlete for his size (6-foot-4, 237) with quick feet to evade pressure and the long-striding speed to out-run defenders downfield. He should perform well in the 40 and other drills. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com
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02-23-2013, 02:19 PM	#133
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1600389	EJ is pretty confident. Says he's best QB in the class. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ories=obinsite __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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