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Old 02-23-2013, 12:27 AM   #1
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:32 AM   #2
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Is it this one?

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Old 02-23-2013, 12:42 AM   #3
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Yeah. Shows he's not a good deep ball guy and his intermediate high accuracy is a mirage.

Guy needs way too much work to be the first overall pick.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:59 AM   #4
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Yeah. Shows he's not a good deep ball guy and his intermediate high accuracy is a mirage.

Guy needs way too much work to be the first overall pick.
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Like Nassib, EJ statistically grades out as one of the better QBs in the draft. This of course is why we use statistics to complement film study, but like Nassib it gives me a little pause. Even given that his receivers clearly gave him a lot of help, he still comes out with some of the best completion percentages among the zones. There really aren’t any huge red flags on Manuel statistically. We can worry a little bit about the fact that his deep ball is around 42%, but Tannehill’s last year graded out at 33%.

It’s interesting that thus far, the ‘top tier’ QBs are the ones that have come out with more statistical red flags than either Nassib or Manuel. For instance: Glennon has a huge amount of overthrows, Smith throws into double coverage a lot, and Wilson underthrows the ball often. However, we look at Manuel and don’t see anything that is truly concerning. This doesn’t make him the top pick by any means, but we have to then go to the tape to find what’s causing his draft stock to be lower.
You might be coming away with something different than what the author was saying....
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:53 AM   #5
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Yeah. Shows he's not a good deep ball guy .
There was a 1% difference between Manuel and Smith on deep passes. If you think EJ sucks on the deep stuff, then you have to come to the same conclusion with Smith (who has two potential first round receivers).
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:10 AM   #6
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There was a 1% difference between Manuel and Smith on deep passes. If you think EJ sucks on the deep stuff, then you have to come to the same conclusion with Smith (who has two potential first round receivers).
Cracks me up when people say , "Well, he had NFL caliber recievers".

Guess what, In the NFL thats what he'll have. NFL caliber recievers.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:06 AM   #7
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Cracks me up when people say , "Well, he had NFL caliber recievers".

Guess what, In the NFL thats what he'll have. NFL caliber recievers.
Guess what, those receivers are going to go up against NFL caliber DBs and not Marshall or Baylor.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:05 AM   #8
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There was a 1% difference between Manuel and Smith on deep passes. If you think EJ sucks on the deep stuff, then you have to come to the same conclusion with Smith (who has two potential first round receivers).
You conveniently left out the number of attempts.

In terms of moving the chains, 25 of 50 attempts over 10 yards is FAR MORE impactful than completing 7 of 10.

I love listening to people that never actually watched Manuel play.

That being said, I could TOTALLY see the Chiefs picking him, especially at #34.
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You conveniently left out the number of attempts.

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According to secondroundstats they threw about the same % of passes over 20 yards (as compared to their own total number of passes). In fact, EJ's % was slightly higher.
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According to secondroundstats they threw about the same % of passes over 20 yards (as compared to their own total number of passes). In fact, EJ's % was slightly higher.
Geno Smith threw FOUR HUNDRED more passes than Manuel did over the last 2 seasons.
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According to secondroundstats they threw about the same % of passes over 20 yards (as compared to their own total number of passes). In fact, EJ's % was slightly higher.
So you argue for EJ Manuel being among the top QBs in this class, but it's a giant stretch for me to say Ryan Nassib will get taken by some gullible team in the first round.

Gotcha.
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There was a 1% difference between Manuel and Smith on deep passes. If you think EJ sucks on the deep stuff, then you have to come to the same conclusion with Smith (who has two potential first round receivers).
Yes, but look at the number of attempts.


EJ Manuel only threw it past ten yards 26% of the time. This ties Barkley for the lowest amount in the last two classes. Was that Jimbo Fisher’s offense or Manuel just deciding to hit the easy passes often? Most likely a combination of both.
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