Chiefs Joeckel vs. Alberts - Page 12

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 10:32 PM

I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands.

Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite.

With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL.

If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?

milkman · 02-23-2013, 07:26 AM

First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position.

He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential.
He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT.

If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument.

Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision.

Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard.

With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions.

Not a sound allotent of.

milkman · 02-23-2013, 07:30 AM

That is not a sound allotment of money, even with a lot of cap space.

Agent V · 02-23-2013, 07:37 AM

What fresh ****ing Hell is this?

ILChief · 02-23-2013, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Who the **** is Alberts?

Why is our fan base comprised of 2/3 reeruns?

I don't know but if you like the Chiefs on Facebook, go read the comments on their post with the Geno press conf. Yesterday

griZZly64 · 02-23-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

What the **** is this.

lmao im cracking up

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-23-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

I don't know but if you like the Chiefs on Facebook, go read the comments on their post with the Geno press conf. Yesterday

Loads of reeruns in there.

Agent V · 02-23-2013, 07:55 AM

Can't wait for my Alberts jersey to get here. Complements my Dwayne Powe jersey quite well.

Ace Gunner · 02-23-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position.

He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential.
He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT.

If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument.

Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision.

Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard.

With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions.

Not a sound Llotment of.

I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

BlackHelicopters · 02-23-2013, 07:58 AM

Wait. What?

Rasputin · 02-23-2013, 07:58 AM

We got franchise LT in Albert no reason in hell to give up on him now.

This rookie scale is kind of back fireing it seems for some vets if teams don't want to pony up and pay big contracts to players who have earned the right to get payed. They can just dump on a guy and get a replacement at a discount in the draft. If that's what they do to Albert then the rookie pay scale system is flawed & defeats the purpose of it all.

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-23-2013, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

Are you really comparing a collegiate level LT that has not seen a second of action in the NFL to a NFL vet entering his 6th season at LT?

Ace Gunner · 02-23-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Are you really comparing a collegiate level LT that has not seen a second of action in the NFL to a NFL vet entering his 6th season at LT?

oh he'll get his rookie lumps, but he's better at pass protection than Albert will ever be. that dude is a technician at the LT position. i know it hurts your lil vag to read somebody else is better than your lil chiefee, but this lesson will help you grow up.

oh. wait.

Rasputin · 02-23-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

oh he'll get his rookie lumps, but he's better at pass protection than Albert will ever be. that dude is a technician at the LT position. i know it hurts your lil vag to read somebody else is better than your lil chiefee, but this lesson will help you grow up.

oh. wait.

Joeckeloff can be the next Willie Roaf I don't give a **** won't matter with out a franchise QB that we will miss out on. **** Joeckel defeats any purpose of having the number 1 pick in the draft.

milkman · 02-23-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

Further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.

In drills at the combines, Abert displayed quickness that rivaled Ryan Clady.

His issues have always been technique.

He just started to use his hands and his hips properly last season.
He had been just trying to win his battles previously simply by leaning on people.

He still has some work to do to clean up his technique, but. You don't give up only one sack

duncan_idaho · 02-23-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

Brandon Albert gave up one sack in pass pro last year. He is an excellent pass protector and grades out as such. The CHiefs' average rush when running left also speaks well for Albert's abilities as a run blocker. Joeckel is PROJECTED to be an excellent NFL pass pro guy, but he also had problems with the bull rush at times in college and was exposed a few times just this season by guys with legit NFL strength/speed combos.

Joeckel is NOT a flawless prospect. Just like everyone else in this draft.

02-22-2013, 10:32 PM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $8966297	Joeckel vs. Alberts I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands. Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite. With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL. If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?
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02-23-2013, 07:26 AM	#166
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position. He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential. He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT. If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument. Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision. Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard. With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions. Not a sound allotent of. __________________
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02-23-2013, 07:37 AM	#168
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Agent V Bring me Geno. Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Can't wait for my Alberts jersey to get here. Complements my Dwayne Powe jersey quite well.
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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $-14579	We got franchise LT in Albert no reason in hell to give up on him now. This rookie scale is kind of back fireing it seems for some vets if teams don't want to pony up and pay big contracts to players who have earned the right to get payed. They can just dump on a guy and get a replacement at a discount in the draft. If that's what they do to Albert then the rookie pay scale system is flawed & defeats the purpose of it all.
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