The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively DONE

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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively complete. Can't be finalized til league year begins 3/12


Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

so it's not official, both clubs view it at as it's effectively done. I do not know the other team. KC and JAX are 2 teams that make sense

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RyFo18

This is a smart post and makes all the sense in the world.

The problem is the Chiefs haven't drafted a QB in the 1st round in almost 30 years. Since this franchise has been pretty miserable for the last 30 years, we want something different (a QB in the 1st round). They were dominant in the '90's but it didn't really lead to anything of great magnitude other than a bunch of playoff appearances.

So to many, the expectation is that the Chiefs MUST draft a QB at #1. They have the pick of the litter, so it's the organizations responsibility to find the best and pick him.

If this is the once in a blue moon year that no franchise QB is in this draft, then most say they don't care (I'm sure they'll bitch about it 5 years from now though). It's better than signing for or trading for a retread QB.

Other than the part in bold, this post is pretty much dead on.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

He made McNabb into a QB that played in multople NFCCGs

McNabb was the #2 overall pick, not a 3rd rounder. He was already very "developed" when he came into the league.

Originally Posted by Marvin49

He made people think Kolb was a servicable QB and has people trying to trade for Nick FOles right now.

That makes him a good poker player and personnel man. It does NOT make him a good QB developer.

Originally Posted by Marvin49

He was also on the GB staff when Favre was traded to the team.

So was Mike Holmgren, Steve Mariucci, and several others.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

Personally I think you guys need to realize that you have a coach who can make a QB better in Reid. That's HUGE. It doesn't need to e with the first pick. Taking a LT isn't a bad idea...you build teams from the insode out, not the other way around.

And that's the popular misconception that is ****ing with Chiefs' fans brains and making them think that the Chiefs will turn a 3rd round pick into an all star.

Reid doesn't make QB's better. Reid puts his QB's in a tailored, QB friendly system and gets the most out of them.

Once they leave Reid's system, they fall flat on their face. AJ Feely, Kolb and even McNabb had little to no success w/o Reid.

If Reid had actually made them "better" then they would've had successful careers after leaving philly.....

[Faddy Yomama]

Alex Smith only did good because he was in Harbaugh's System. He'll be in a totally different offensive system if he comes here to KC. This could go very badly... however Andy Reid does have a west coast system that could help because he won't throw it downfield as much (because he sucks at that). Alex Smith is just another game manager. I am tired of the Chiefs getting game managers and wish that they would draft someone that's more than that (ahem... Geno Smith anyone??)

[Marvin49]

Originally Posted by RyFo18

This is a smart post and makes all the sense in the world.

The problem is the Chiefs haven't drafted a QB in the 1st round in almost 30 years. Since this franchise has been pretty miserable for the last 30 years, we want something different (a QB in the 1st round). They were dominant in the '90's but it didn't really lead to anything of great magnitude other than a bunch of playoff appearances.

So to many, the expectation is that the Chiefs MUST draft a QB at #1. They have the pick of the litter, so it's the organizations responsibility to find the best and pick him.

If this is the once in a blue moon year that no franchise QB is in this draft, then most say they don't care (I'm sure they'll bitch about it 5 years from now though). It's better than signing for or trading for a retread QB.

I'd also add that the reason the 49ers were ABLE to bypass the QB position early on to take Aldon and then wait till round 2 on a QB was that they had Alex Smith on the roster.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Faddy Yomama

Alex Smith only did good because he was in Harbaugh's System. He'll be in a totally different offensive system if he comes here to KC. This could go very badly... however Andy Reid does have a west coast system that could help because he won't throw it downfield as much (because he sucks at that). Alex Smith is just another game manager. I am tired of the Chiefs getting game managers and wish that they would draft someone that's more than that (ahem... Geno Smith anyone??)

Amen Fatty, Amen.

[The Franchise]

I'm not fanning the flames....but this shit pisses me the **** off.

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/02/2...-1-draft-pick/

The Alex Smith to Kansas City rumors are entering their third day and now the man who was shooting down rumors yesterday is helping to fuel them today.

On Monday, Matthew Barrows of the Sacramento Bee shot down a Jason La Canfora report that the San Francisco 49ers and a mystery team had a trade deal that was “effectively complete” for Smith. Barrows’ report indicated that their was no deal in place and that the 49ers were still shopping Smith.

Today, while Barrows still maintains there is no deal in place, he shedding more light on the situation, including that the 49ers expect to receive one draft pick for Smith.

From Barrows:

Alex Smith appears closer to leaving the 49ers next month after reports this past week linked him to the spot where many former San Francisco quarterbacks seem to end up – Kansas City.

League sources said Monday the 49ers are not locked into a deal but that team officials have told others at the scouting combine in Indianapolis they are confident a trade will be made and they plan to have 15 picks in the April draft.

As Barrows points out in his article, the 49ers currently have 11 draft picks but expect to receive three more picks from the NFL in March, as compensation for losing free agents last offseason. These picks, known as compensatory picks, begin in the third-round and are added to the end of each round. The NFL has a formula for awarding the picks that is based on the contracts received by the free agents a team loses, while also factoring in free agents signed.

The most important part of Barrow’s article, however, is that he sheds some light on the amount of compensation the 49ers believe they will receive for Smith. There have been some reports floating around, from less than reliable sources, that the deal would be for two picks. Barrows’ report, however, seems to indicate that the deal will be for just one pick. One 2012 pick.

If I had to guess, and this is pure speculation, I’d say the mystery team is either the Chiefs, Jets or Cardinals and that the deal is for a 2013 third round pick.

As I’ve said before, I can easily see the Chiefs offering up their third, which would be hard for any other NFL team to beat. The Chiefs hold the first pick in the third round and because teams like the New Orleans Saints and Cleveland Browns do not have second round picks, KC’s third is essentially a late second-round pick.

This would work out great for the 49ers and wouldn’t hurt the Chiefs much at all because KC is expected to receive a third-round compensatory pick for the loss of Brandon Carr last offseason.

So the Chiefs would get a veteran QB for just moving back a few sports in the third round. For a team that currently has no viable options at QB, that isn’t such a bad move.

So it's not a huge drop from a late 2nd round pick to an early 4th round pick?

[Marvin49]

Originally Posted by Faddy Yomama

Alex Smith only did good because he was in Harbaugh's System. He'll be in a totally different offensive system if he comes here to KC. This could go very badly... however Andy Reid does have a west coast system that could help because he won't throw it downfield as much (because he sucks at that). Alex Smith is just another game manager. I am tired of the Chiefs getting game managers and wish that they would draft someone that's more than that (ahem... Geno Smith anyone??)

This is possible....

...but Andrew Luck ran that same offense at STanford and he's playing pretty well right now in Indy. I'm not saying Alex is Andrew Luck...I'm just saying that others have played in that offense and succeeded elswhere.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

Sorry..Niner fan here...just to clear something up...

I read this on my phone without seeing the poster and laughed thinking it was someone pretending to be a niner fan...

[the Talking Can]

giving up our high 3rd for a QB that no one wanted last year for free


I give you the Chiefs

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

Sorry..Niner fan here...just to clear something up...

Aldon was actually taken at #7 overall and the Niners had their choice of EVERY QB in the class (outside of Newton) including Gabbert and Ponder....and passed.

As for the "do you see Kaepernick" thing....well if everyone thought he was gonna be that good he wouldn't have been picked in the second round and BEHIND Gabbert, Ponder, Locker and Dalton.

Taking a QB tho at the top of the draft when there isn't one really worth the pick is how the 49ers drafted Alex Smith to begin with. It only took 5 or 6 years for him to turn it around...lol.

Personally I think you guys need to realize that you have a coach who can make a QB better in Reid. That's HUGE. It doesn't need to e with the first pick. Taking a LT isn't a bad idea...you build teams from the insode out, not the other way around.

Damn. I guess every team has their own "TrueFans"

[The Franchise]

If Alex Smith nets a 3rd round pick......his new team needs to file rape charges. There is NO WAY that Alex Smith should get a 3rd round pick.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

This is possible....

...but Andrew Luck ran that same offense at STanford and he's playing pretty well right now in Indy. I'm not saying Alex is Andrew Luck...I'm just saying that others have played in that offense and succeeded elswhere.

That's exactly what im talking about.

Andrew Luck went to another system and had success because......

*gasp* he's a talented player. Something Alex Smith is not. Smith is a game manager at best.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

That's exactly what im talking about.

Andrew Luck went to another system and had success because......

*gasp* he's a talented player. Something Alex Smith is not. Smith is a game manager at best.

****ing this.

And guess what? If we trade for Alex Smith.....he's getting a new OC. I wonder how that's going to turn out.

[Marvin49]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

And that's the popular misconception that is ****ing with Chiefs' fans brains and making them think that the Chiefs will turn a 3rd round pick into an all star.

Reid doesn't make QB's better. Reid puts his QB's in a tailored, QB friendly system and gets the most out of them.

Once they leave Reid's system, they fall flat on their face. AJ Feely, Kolb and even McNabb had little to no success w/o Reid.

If Reid had actually made them "better" then they would've had successful careers after leaving philly.....

Yes...but that is THEIR problem. The important thing is that THEY PLAY WELL UNDER REID. Do you really care what they do when they leave?