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Old 02-26-2013, 07:24 PM  
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Trade Down Horseshit Rumors From 2009
Hopefully this will provide some perspective to the prevarications winding their way through the "media". These are all from 2009, late in the process, before the Twittersplosion of uninformed ****tards, and it's still a confederacy of numbskulls.

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Old 02-26-2013, 08:52 PM   #31
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:02 PM   #32
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Well, we'd have been a hell of a lot better off if we had traded down.
Or up, you dumb shit.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:13 PM   #33
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I don't think this is too far from the truth.

Stafford, like Freeman, has shown great potential but both have been very careless at times. Stafford is still ahead of Freeman but both teams have been reluctant to to extend either QB.
And they both play on teams with TERRIBLE, AWFUL defenses and ho-hum head coaches.

Funny how that works.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:21 PM   #34
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Nobody can say that trading down is always dumb, losers trade down, etc... when we clearly should have moved down in 2009 instead of reaching at a position of need
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:54 PM   #35
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And they both play on teams with TERRIBLE, AWFUL defenses and ho-hum head coaches.

Funny how that works.
What's your point? If you're saying what I think you're saying, you couldn't be more wrong.

Great players transcend. Stafford hasn't, even with Megatron and other suitable weapons. He's made the same boneheaded mistakes that he made at Georgia, when his team was similarly loaded.

Freeman had one good season out of four. He's been sporadic: A few good games followed by complete shit games. He's been unable to put together back-to-back seasons of consistency and he's been unable to ascend in the NFL.

Great players are great, regardless of coaching. Jamaal Charles is NOT a great running back on a 2-14 team because of Maurice ****ing Carthon.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:05 PM   #36
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What's your point? If you're saying what I think you're saying, you couldn't be more wrong.

Great players transcend. Stafford hasn't, even with Megatron and other suitable weapons. He's made the same boneheaded mistakes that he made at Georgia, when his team was similarly loaded.

Freeman had one good season out of four. He's been sporadic: A few good games followed by complete shit games. He's been unable to put together back-to-back seasons of consistency and he's been unable to ascend in the NFL.

Great players are great, regardless of coaching. Jamaal Charles is NOT a great running back on a 2-14 team because of Maurice ****ing Carthon.
IIRC, the Lions have been trying to work on an extension with Stafford since last year. Now, that might be due to his cap#, but they view him as a franchise QB.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:07 PM   #37
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IIRC, the Lions have been trying to work on an extension with Stafford since last year. Now, that might be due to his cap#, but they view him as a franchise QB.
IMO, if they viewed him as a Franchise QB, the deal would have been done before the end of last season.

His deal expires at the end of the 2013 season. If they wanted to avoid the Franchise Tag, they should have done so before now.

I think that speaks volumes at this point. Hell, even ****ing Sanchez was extended.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:10 PM   #38
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IMO, if they viewed him as a Franchise QB, the deal would have been done before the end of last season.

His deal expires at the end of the 2013 season. If they wanted to avoid the Franchise Tag, they should have done so before now.

I think that speaks volumes at this point. Hell, even ****ing Sanchez was extended.
Haha, yeah he was. And what a mess that was. Fun to watch. Lets go after Manning and then extend Mark after that to make him happy. The Jets always help me cope with the Chiefs moves a little bit. Even with that though, they have seen much more success in the playoffs than we have.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:15 PM   #39
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I don't think Stafford is a stud QB, but we would be a hell of a lot better with him instead of the $hit show we currently have. If we drafted Geno and he turned out to be the second coming of Matt Stafford I'd be a little disappointed, but I also think we would be a playoff team. Lets also not forget the division stafford plays in is a lot tougher than ours.
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IMO, if they viewed him as a Franchise QB, the deal would have been done before the end of last season.

His deal expires at the end of the 2013 season. If they wanted to avoid the Franchise Tag, they should have done so before now.

I think that speaks volumes at this point. Hell, even ****ing Sanchez was extended.
I think that they're struggling on terms/seeing how the market plays out while additionally trying to figure out what they're going to do with the cap hell they are facing.

Pure speculation though.

I'd expect them to re-sign/restructure before the end of 2013.
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Stafford has been pretty injury prone too. Throws for a lot of yards, but they just don't win a whole lot. (Gunther?) Not sure I would sink the farm into him just yet either.
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I always wondered with the Lions if they would ever have cap problems after having all those high first rounders they had to pay.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:19 PM   #43
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I think that they're struggling on terms/seeing how the market plays out while additionally trying to figure out what they're going to do with the cap hell they are facing.

Pure speculation though.

I'd expect them to re-sign/restructure before the end of 2013.
Personally, I think they're playing it perfectly: If Stafford breaks out and leads the Lions deep into the playoffs while putting up 2:1 TD's to INT's, they move forward with him. If they go 4-12 again, they can cut him loose and grab someone in 2014.

I wish the Chiefs had such a luxury.
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I always wondered with the Lions if they would ever have cap problems after having all those high first rounders they had to pay.
The "Cap" is a myth. Pure and utter fabrication.

If the owner is cash "rich", the cap doesn't matter. If the owner is cash "poor", or just a tight ass, the cap is in play.
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MayockMayock spoke very highly of Stafford, saying he has great arm strength and is a good athlete, but also said "There are some things about him that bother me. If I was the Lions, I'd take (Aaron) Curry or one of those left tackles (Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe)..
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