Trade Down Horseshit Rumors From 2009

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hopefully this will provide some perspective to the prevarications winding their way through the "media". These are all from 2009, late in the process, before the Twittersplosion of uninformed ****tards, and it's still a confederacy of numbskulls.

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[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Personally, I think they're playing it perfectly: If Stafford breaks out and leads the Lions deep into the playoffs while putting up 2:1 TD's to INT's, they move forward with him. If they go 4-12 again, they can cut him loose and grab someone in 2014.

I wish the Chiefs had such a luxury.

Don't we all.


It's a tough situation, with his physical abilities etc. it's hard to move one, cause theres always the "man if he gets it, watch out" thought. But at what point do you jsut say, yeah, he's not going to get it, lets move one.

Tough situation for them.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Personally, I think they're playing it perfectly: If Stafford breaks out and leads the Lions deep into the playoffs while putting up 2:1 TD's to INT's, they move forward with him. If they go 4-12 again, they can cut him loose and grab someone in 2014.

I wish the Chiefs had such a luxury.

We do. Grab Geno. He busts we can draft another QB in the 1st.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

We do. Grab Geno. He busts we can draft another QB in the 1st.

And not wait another 30 years?!?

The hell you say.

[okcchief]

I actually think Geno and Stafford are pretty similar prospects. Love both of them physically, but there were some questions with both as far as winning big games, leadership etc. If Stafford was a 1 pick its kind of puzzling why Geno isn't considered by many to be worthy. I hate when race is thrown around, but you have to wonder.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Personally, I think they're playing it perfectly: If Stafford breaks out and leads the Lions deep into the playoffs while putting up 2:1 TD's to INT's, they move forward with him. If they go 4-12 again, they can cut him loose and grab someone in 2014.

I wish the Chiefs had such a luxury.

I do concur.

They're ****ed for a while IMO as they've spent so much and have drafted so poorly.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Mayock:
Mayock said that if the Lions make a mistake at quarterback with that pick, "they won't recover for five years.''
Mayock spoke very highly of Stafford, saying he has great arm strength and is a good athlete, but also said "There are some things about him that bother me. If I was the Lions, I'd take (Aaron) Curry or one of those left tackles (Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe).

This is so, so awesome.

Curry: For his position, probably one of the biggest busts in NFL history. A bigger bust than Aundray Bruce

Smith: Again, one of the biggest busts in NFL history. Actually looks like a worse draft pick than Tony Mandarich, who actually became a serviceable guard.

The gem of his three choices, Eugene Monroe, is a decent LT. That's it.

Mike Mayock, ladies and gents.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I do concur.

They're ****ed for a while IMO as they've spent so much and have drafted so poorly.

Their drafting has actually improved markedly under Mayhew. From worst in the league to passable. I think their biggest issue is one of coaching. Schwartz does not have control of that team, and we all know what a snake oil salesman Gunther is.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Their drafting has actually improved markedly under Mayhew. From worst in the league to passable. I think their biggest issue is one of coaching. Schwartz does not have control of that team, and we all know what a snake oil salesman Gunther is.

I agree and should have clarified, I meant poor drafting prior to Mayhew.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is so, so awesome.

Curry: For his position, probably one of the biggest busts in NFL history. A bigger bust than Aundray Bruce

Smith: Again, one of the biggest busts in NFL history. Actually looks like a worse draft pick than Tony Mandarich, who actually became a serviceable guard.

The gem of his three choices, Eugene Monroe, is a decent LT. That's it.

Mike Mayock, ladies and gents.

Smith busted because of concussions. I honestly think things could have been different if he didn't suffer a concussion in his rookie year or in 2011. And I have no ****ing idea who the Rams could have taken at the time, as I thought Smith was viewed as the #1 LT over Monroe and Oher, no?

[KevB]

And for the questions about Stafford, dude put up a 5,000 yard/41 TD/16 INT season last year. That's 500 more yards and 14 more TDs than Trent Green ever had here. We'd kill for that kind of production. If Geno had Stafford's evolution, I'd be fine with it. Primarily because I think we'd win more given our coaching staff and the defense currently in place.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Smith busted because of concussions. I honestly think things could have been different if he didn't suffer a concussion in his rookie year or in 2011. And I have no ****ing idea who the Rams could have taken at the time, as I thought Smith was viewed as the #1 LT over Monroe and Oher, no?

Smith was crap from the get go. I don't know how anyone could have looked at his tape and measureables and felt he was better than Clady or Albert or Jake Long or any number of successful tackles (let alone, Orlando Pace). The guy was garbage.

I, and many other people at the time, thought that Spagnoulo was going to be a good head coach and leader of men.

Turns out, he's crap.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Smith busted because of concussions. I honestly think things could have been different if he didn't suffer a concussion in his rookie year or in 2011. And I have no ****ing idea who the Rams could have taken at the time, as I thought Smith was viewed as the #1 LT over Monroe and Oher, no?

The point is that every year it's implied that taking an offensive lineman is "safer" than taking a QB at the top of the draft. It's not. I don't think the point here is making a judgment on that particular pick by the Rams.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KevB

And for the questions about Stafford, dude put up a 5,000 yard/41 TD/16 INT season last year. That's 500 more yards and 14 more TDs than Trent Green ever had here. We'd kill for that kind of production. If Geno had Stafford's evolution, I'd be fine with it. Primarily because I think we'd win more given our coaching staff and the defense currently in place.

Yeah, but he does a lot of stupid shit and he's only led ONE winning team in four years. Personally, I feel the jury is still out.

[tk13]

The weird thing is Mayock is for some reason regarded as the best guy around these parts, or at least has been in the past. I don't know now since he's apparently anti-Geno.

I'm a big Stafford fan but I have to wonder if he needs a different coaching staff. The Lions have been so undisciplined under Schwartz. Aside from all the Suh stuff, dirty plays and things like that... just in general they are a sloppy team. Of course if they don't succeed this year... Schwartz, Gunther and all of them will probably be looking for new jobs.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

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