Has anyone cancelled their Season Tickets?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tooge

Bout the same as Most guys do after another summer of being unable to improve their golf game. Hoping next year is better and enjoying memories of friends I hung out with during the season.

You realize that your golf comparison is completely disanalogous, correct?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You realize that your golf comparison is completely disanalogous, correct?

he keeps opening the club face...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by stevieray

he keeps opening the club face...

He does.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You realize that your golf comparison is completely disanalogous, correct?

No, I disagree. On the premise that each is a form of entertainment. Each has a goal that the person being entertained is striving for, and each has it's disappointments when the goal isn't achieved. I do realize that one has it's success somewhat in the persons control and the other does not

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tooge

No, I disagree. On the premise that each is a form of entertainment. Each has a goal that the person being entertained is striving for, and each has it's disappointments when the goal isn't achieved. I do realize that one has it's success somewhat in the persons control and the other does not

One's success is entirely in the person's control. In the other, the person has absolutely no control over the success or failure of the team.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One's success is entirely in the person's control. In the other, the person has absolutely no control over the success or failure of the team.

In theory yes. In reality no. If you want to be a scratch golfer, you can invest money in lessons, equipment, and practice, and still be unable to be a scratch golfer

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tooge

In theory yes. In reality no. If you want to be a scratch golfer, you can invest money in lessons, equipment, and practice, and still be unable to be a scratch golfer

Yes, and your actions and talent determine that. You are limited by your own shortcomings. You have no impact on anything the franchise does.

It's not that two are even tangentially related, they are so unrelated as to be perfect antonyms of one another.

You think you're comparing two different kinds of dogs. You're actually comparing vertebrates and invertebrates.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You realize that your golf comparison is completely disanalogous, correct?

I don't have an issue with it. That's probably the mentality that separates "true fans" from whatever you hardcore types are calling yourselves these days.

I'm mostly interested in being entertained for 16 (or more) weeks per year by watching a consistently competitive team and hanging out with family every weekend. While I'd like to see them win a playoff game soon, I don't look back on the season as being completely ruined when they don't.

Case in point: this year was a million times more fun for Bronco fans than it was for Chiefs fans. You can say it was a failure because they didn't win a playoff game all you want, but I guarantee you most Bronco fans had a great time this season.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I don't have an issue with it. That's probably the mentality that separates "true fans" from whatever you hardcore types are calling yourselves these days.

I'm mostly interested in being entertained for 16 (or more) weeks per year by watching a consistently competitive team and hanging out with family every weekend. While I'd like to see them win a playoff game soon, I don't look back on the season as being completely ruined when they don't.

In the golf comparison, your actions are the only thing that determine the success or failure of your round.

In the football comparison, you literally have absolutely no impact on the franchise other than forming a partial economic subsidy.

If you want to compare it to watching a movie, TV show, going to a play, concert, fine. Those are all also forms of entertainment that your actions don't affect whatsoever. But it's not in any way related to actively participating in the sport and basing your experience on your results.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

In the golf comparison, your actions are the only thing that determine the success or failure of your round.

In the football comparison, you literally have absolutely no impact on the franchise other than forming a partial economic subsidy.

If you want to compare it to watching a movie, TV show, going to a play, concert, fine. Those are all also forms of entertainment that your actions don't affect whatsoever. But it's not in any way related to actively participating in the sport and basing your experience on your results.

I guess I don't see why it matters whether you're in control or not for the basis of this discussion. If control were the central issue in investment, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I guess I don't see why it matters whether you're in control or not for the basis of this discussion. If control were the central issue in investment, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Because he specifically said that leaving the stadium after 1-7 is like leaving the course for the winter after working on your game and never breaking 90.

If you base the happiness of your outcome on your score in golf, who is it that controls that score?

If you base your satisfaction on the outcome of a sporting event that you aren't participating in, who is it that controls that outcome?

If you work on your craft, you don't hope it gets better. You work to improve it. And your ability and effort determines your success.

[tooge]

Hammas, I'd suggest you don't buy season tickets since it seems to not be worth the risk for YOU. I enjoy it there, moreso when they win, but I enjoy the day regardless. Twenty years ago I would have had a different take than I do now

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tooge

Hammas, I'd suggest you don't buy season tickets since it seems to not be worth the risk for YOU. I enjoy it there, moreso when they win, but I enjoy the day regardless. Twenty years ago I would have had a different take than I do now

That's why I gave them up after 2009.

Again, you seem to think that I'm telling you what you should or should not enjoy. I'm not. What I'm saying is that you are a captive and dependent audience when you watch football. You have no material effect on the outcome of the game.

In golf, everything you do has a material effect on the outcome of your score.

You can enjoy yourself in both regardless of outcome, but if you base part of your enjoyment on the outcome you have to realize the real and crucial dichotomy between the two. In only one do you have control, and in that case you have absolute control. In the other you are completely subject to the actions and decisions of someone else and living vicariously through them.

That's where the disconnect occurs

[007]

Originally Posted by tooge

Hammas, I'd suggest you don't buy season tickets since it seems to not be worth the risk for YOU. I enjoy it there, moreso when they win, but I enjoy the day regardless. Twenty years ago I would have had a different take than I do now

I still have fun when I go as well, but the group of friends tailgating seems to get a little smaller each year. The diehards are always there though. What I love about the diehards I hang out with, they are still objective about the state of the team.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by tooge

Hammas, I'd suggest you don't buy season tickets since it seems to not be worth the risk for YOU. I enjoy it there, moreso when they win, but I enjoy the day regardless. Twenty years ago I would have had a different take than I do now

I agree completely.

I shared a portion of season tickets to the Dodgers from 2005-2007. I went to probably 20+ games per season, which is a shit ton (trying to find people last minute, etc. and so on). I don't remember the scores of the games or who won or lost, but I do recall bonding with friends, having beers and dogs and just having a great time.

The older we get and the more responsibilities we have, days and nights like that become more important than wins or losses. Sometimes, it's just nice to get away from the wife and kids for a few hours and hang with the boys. MLB, NHL, NBA and the NFL provide that much needed service.

Now with that said, the Chiefs organization should do everything in their power to put a consistent, winning football team on the field, year in and year out. But their moves, right or wrong, are out of my control.