Chiefs Chiefs sign Dunta Robinson

Hammock Parties · 03-09-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

How many does our former 1st round pick Jon Baldwin average? I have a feeling, without looking, that Dexter owns him. Argument moot, eat a dick.

They're both shitty. They don't produce first downs. They don't produce touchdowns. They don't make big plays. Dexter drops a lot of balls and turns the ball over, too.

The fact that Dexter is less shitty doesn't mean much.

Exoter175 · 03-09-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

They're both shitty. They don't produce first downs. They don't produce touchdowns. They don't make big plays. Dexter drops a lot of balls and turns the ball over, too.

The fact that Dexter is less shitty doesn't mean much.

But you idiots argued that Dexter was a bust due to where he was picked, but Baldwin was an even bigger bust ,yet you guys don't hate on him nearly as bad?

With Baldwin it is always "Maybe if we got someone to coach him up a little next year". He's a bust, and because he's a bust, we've had to utilize a running back out of the backfield and the slot to make up for his lack of production, same went for Breaston too.

You misconstrue "production" and "playmaker" for "this guys puts up 500 yards a game and scores every drive".

Come back down to reality. It is because of guys like Dexter, that we ever converted 1st downs in the first place.

Think about this for a minute, opposing defenses know that they can leave Baldwin wide open, he'll never catch anything, even a cold. Bowe will just get double teamed. That leaves us with Moeaki and McCluster. McCluster if faster and shiftier, and we can start him from more positions than Moeaki, whereas Moeaki is a much better blocker and 2nd level blocker.

So we used the **** out of McCluster. He didn't have great YPC, but we weren't looking for that in our offense.

We had Matt Cassel throwing to guys who were triple covered, you won't get YAC out of this offense, and considering 93.2% of every completion thrown was within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, you aren't giving him a chance to run routes. So of course his YPC sucks.

But, he did move the ball forward as a runner and receiver, he is the most versatile player in our offense, and he stepped up last year when everyone laid down.

So yeah, Dexter rocks, and has since he came here, and Andy Reid was high on him, so I'm going to support Dex and hope he has another good year for us in 2013.

Exoter175 · 03-09-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

you just compared Dunta Robinson to some of the best CBs and Safeties in NFL history you do realize that

Oh and all those guys could cover from day 1 in the league until they retired, so awful examples. I said I wanted guys who couldnt cover that got good at it in their thirties and did not regress, and you gave no examples of that.

I gave you examples of guys who became better at coverage as they got older. Its the same thing. Turning Good into Great is the same as turning shit into mediocrity.

Also, we don't have metrics to compare with all of them, so you can't arbitrarily say "they were good when they came into the league", when in reality most of them weren't.

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Rod Woodson made the Pro Bowl in his third year you reerun.

Ronnie Lott made the Pro Bowl his first four years in the league.

You know less about football than anyone on this forum.

Woodson and Lott didn't make the pro bowl because of their coverage, and you probably had to google Merton Hanks, and you say I have less knowledge than anyone on this forum?

Oh buddy, how little you truly know to make a statement like that. I probably know more about the game and history of football then the next 35 posters who aren't me.

But go ahead, tell me more about how Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson didn't get better in coverage as they got older and learned more about the game.

Oh wait, you cannot challenge that point I made, can you? Because the truth is they did, and I am right. Yet you challenge my knowledge.

Hammock Parties · 03-09-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

I probably know more about the game and history of football then the next 35 posters who aren't me.

**SAUTO** · 03-09-2013, 02:29 PM

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Exoter175 · 03-09-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Any high school player can run a four yard dig when no one is within 15 yards, catch the ball 70% of the time, then get his ****ing head taken off.

THEN EXPLAIN JON BALDWIN PLEASE

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Can you explain his lack of playmaking? 28 yards per game is piss poor.

I am sure those 28 yards per game were the most impressive 28 yards per game in league history though.

Like a regular average joe would have only gained 7 yards per game. Dex is 4x the average joe.

Your numbers are off a bit, he's at 32.625 yards per game on 4 touches per game, or just over 8 yards per touch. That's not bad considering he's used from the backfield, slot, all over the damned place, runs as well as receives.

Again, please explain Jon Baldwin.

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Football and Cars are my Forte, you should know that, that's how you found my ignore list, for being so ignorant.

Exoter175 · 03-09-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

I agree. He could get the big bucks some day if he keeps up being awesome.

Nah just kidding. I bet he never starts another game in the NFL because he's so ****ing horrible.

I'll but you a lifelong ban that you are wrong.

Hammock Parties · 03-09-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

Again, please explain Jon Baldwin.

He and Dexter McCluster are competing for "worst wide receiver, NFL history."

I give an edge to McCluster based on the fact he turns the ball over more.

Exoter175 · 03-09-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

28 yards per game is a load of shit, man.

You know how many turnovers he was responsible for last year?

NINE.

He least he caught the ****ing thing. And that always seems the default argument for McCluster, if it isn't the fact that he doesn't put up DeSean Jackson numbers, its his turnovers, like he's the only guy who puts the ball on the ground.

And if I'm not mistaken, those "nine" are incorrect. Please show me how and where he was responsible for nine last year.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There isn't any RB or WR in the league who couldn't have done what McCluster did last year.

Running a four yard dig against Cover 3 deep zone b/c the defense is up by 31 doesn't mean your catches are meaningful or difficult.

The guy is straight ass.

There isn't?

talk to Jon Baldwin and Steve Breaston then.

Exoter175 · 03-09-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

You certainly aren't making your case heard as I've been schooling you for the past hour or so.

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Does Kendrick Lewis have the potential to be a Ronnie Lott someday, Exoter? Just curious since you have all this insight.

That would depend on how you think that potential draws out.

Are we talking Lott in the Year 4+ years? Or are we just talking about him progressively getting better?

Because if you ask me if he can be Ronnie Lott, I say no. We don't play in that Era anymore and the game has changed significantly, you won't ever see another Ronnie Lott in this league playing as well as he did.

This game refines itself constantly.

Hammock Parties · 03-09-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

You certainly aren't making your case heard as I've been schooling you for the past hour or so.

That would depend on how you think that potential draws out.

Are we talking Lott in the Year 4+ years? Or are we just talking about him progressively getting better?

Because if you ask me if he can be Ronnie Lott, I say no. We don't play in that Era anymore and the game has changed significantly, you won't ever see another Ronnie Lott in this league playing as well as he did.

This game refines itself constantly.

I agree, and I'm seeing now that you are very knowledgeable.

Where could Kendrick Lewis be in 10 years? Could he be one of the all-time greats?

I don't fully understand football so I'm coming to you for this. Please help me.

Exoter175 · 03-09-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

I agree, and I'm seeing now that you are very knowledgeable.

Where could Kendrick Lewis be in 10 years? Could he be one of the all-time greats?

I don't fully understand football so I'm coming to you for this. Please help me.

Oh you troll me so.

Where could he be? Not in the NFL.

he's an 8 or 9 year guy max. At best, with his skillset, he's going to be an underrated cover guy who only gets talked about in free agency. He'll never get the credit he deserves for what he does, as there are always going to be "stars" in front of him like Flowers and Berry. But he'll do his job and get successively better at it, but he'll always have a knock on his tackling and "speed", despite the fact that neither of those matter at his position.

He'll probably plateau right around 29/30 and have a solid year of coverage/interceptions, and if he's lucky, be on a contract year and get paid a nice contract prior to his decline.

Hammock Parties · 03-09-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

And if I'm not mistaken, those "nine" are incorrect. Please show me how and where he was responsible for nine last year.

Actually, you're right. It was "only" 7.

But the ball kept going off his hands and into defensive backs for interceptions.

That happened five times.

And he fumbled twice.

Exoter175 · 03-09-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Actually, you're right. It was "only" 7.

But the ball kept going off his hands and into defensive backs for interceptions.

That happened five times.

And he fumbled twice.

We're going to have to agree to disagree here, I never saw 7. I saw 4.

You're giving too much credit to balls that "look" good, but are actually inaccurate and poorly thrown/decided upon.

Hammock Parties · 03-09-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

We're going to have to agree to disagree here, I never saw 7. I saw 4.

You're giving too much credit to balls that "look" good, but are actually inaccurate and poorly thrown/decided upon.

Can you explain his lack of playmaking? 28 yards per game is piss poor.

I am sure those 28 yards per game were the most impressive 28 yards per game in league history though.

Like a regular average joe would have only gained 7 yards per game. Dex is 4x the average joe.