Chiefs Jake Long not at top of FA LT list - Page 15

Hammock Parties · 02-15-2013, 09:06 AM

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2. Jake Long
2012 Grade: -0.4
2012 Snaps: 745

Summary: Two years ago Jake Long was playing in a manner that made many hesitate when judging the Miami Dolphins for passing on Matt Ryan; the Falcons’ signal-caller was elite, but so was Jake Long at the “crucial” position of left tackle. Right now Long is just another example of the “what have you done for me lately” attitude in this league, with the Dolphins seemingly set to let him walk rather than pay him mega-bucks to hang around. Remember, two years ago Long was coming off of three consecutive seasons with a PFF grade of +30.0 or greater and was in the conversation as the league’s best left tackle.

Now, after two injury-affected seasons, Long has seen his performances and his league-wide stock slip somewhat to the extent that some may view him as damaged goods. Even so, Long is still a more than capable left tackle and with the knowledge of the “upside” of the first three years of his career it wouldn’t be a surprise to see someone take a risk on him.

Though he didn’t match his prior level this season, his issue was a couple of dodgy games in pass protection that accounted for a combined -7.4 pass protection grade, as he yielded two sacks, four hits, and four hurries to the Colts and Seahawks. If Long’s value is driven low and he can put the injuries behind him, someone could get a steal here. If not, someone could waste a lot of money on a worn down player entering a downward spiral.

Bewbies · 03-11-2013, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then tell us why the Falcons couldn't score more against the Giants or couldn't score in the 2nd half against the 49ers.

Jake Long was the better pick because one time the Giants beat the shit out of the Falcons.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Sam Baker sucks ass. The whole o-line sucked ass. Konz was a great pick by them.

Michael Turner sucked ass for the last 2 years. The backup RB is ok.

They made a big trade for a WR to improve their offense. So they could free up either TG, Roddy or Julio 1 on 1, so Ryan could throw more. MORE.

Dude, Dimitroff MOVED UP for Baker. He signed Turner in Free Agency. He traded for Gonzalez, he traded up for Jones, he drafted Jacquizz Rogers.

How many more excuses does Matt Ryan need to prove he's "elite", as some have stated in this thread? And what makes all these people so absolutely certain that Ryan would have been the better choice than Long?

Ryan's had five full seasons to prove that he can put his team on his back and will them to victory. So far, that hasn't happened.

Bewbies · 03-11-2013, 10:35 PM

FWIW I don't know if Matt Ryan will ever win a Super Bowl. He's not the best QB in the league, and he needs help on defense big time.

Thus far Tom Brady hasn't been able to win shit without a defense, Manning couldn't either.

That being said, had Miami taken Ryan Sporano would still be around, hell, big tuna might be too. Mike Smith would have been fired in Atlanta, and Dimitroff would be another Patriot Way failure.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Jake Long was the better pick because one time the Giants beat the shit out of the Falcons.

And if anyone is familiar with Jeff Ireland and his ****ed up draft choices and free agents, they'd know that he's pretty much incapable of putting any modicum of talent on the field.

One look at the 2012 Dolphins should be proof of that fact. I'm surprised that they won as many games as they did.

Bewbies · 03-11-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, Dimitroff MOVED UP for Baker. He signed Turner in Free Agency. He traded for Gonzalez, he traded up for Jones, he drafted Jacquizz Rogers.

How many more excuses does Matt Ryan need to prove he's "elite", as some have stated in this thread? And what makes all these people so absolutely certain that Ryan would have been the better choice than Long?

Ryan's had five full seasons to prove that he can put his team on his back and will them to victory. So far, that hasn't happened.

Baker is a free agent this year I think. Says something that they haven't made much effort to bring him back. Turner is completely washed up. Gonzo is retired. Jacquizz was a 5th or 6th round pick...

**Saul Good** · 03-11-2013, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then tell us why the Falcons couldn't score more against the Giants or couldn't score in the 2nd half against the 49ers.

Because you cherry picked 90 minutes of football out of a five year career.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

That being said, had Miami taken Ryan Sporano would still be around, hell, big tuna might be too. Mike Smith would have been fired in Atlanta, and Dimitroff would be another Patriot Way failure.

That's all major speculation. Personally, I think that's incorrect but again, that's speculation.

Smith has proven to be a decent coach. Sparano was crap in Miami and was worse with the NY Jets. Parcells just wanted a paycheck and really didn't give a shit.

BryanBusby · 03-11-2013, 10:38 PM

It seems like you're putting Jeff Ireland on a Matt Millen, dane. I'm not calling him a good GM by any means, but he has made some decent moves.

Bewbies · 03-11-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And if anyone is familiar with Jeff Ireland and his ****ed up draft choices and free agents, they'd know that he's pretty much incapable of putting any modicum of talent on the field.

One look at the 2012 Dolphins should be proof of that fact. I'm surprised that they won as many games as they did.

Nobody is going to argue that the Dolphins have been run well.

People do make that argument about the Falcons, and it's because of Ryan. He's completely changed the way that franchise is viewed.

Prior to his arrival the franchise had never had 2 winning seasons in a row. That's 9-6. Never.

Now all they do is win, and they finally got the playoff monkey off their back this year. Still not the top team in the NFC, but they are a great team.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Because you cherry picked 90 minutes of football out of a five year career.

Yeah, I only cherry picked the most important parts, you know, the playoffs.

Where it matters.

But I guess where you're from, it's called cherry-picking.

Steve DeBerg was amazing one year in KC, too.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 10:42 PM

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Nobody is going to argue that the Dolphins have been run well.

And that's been my point all along. No one can unequivocally state that Matt Ryan would have produced any more wins that Jake Long because the franchise is ****ed.

AustinChiefs chimed in with that as well.

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

People do make that argument about the Falcons, and it's because of Ryan. He's completely changed the way that franchise is viewed.

Prior to his arrival the franchise had never had 2 winning seasons in a row. That's 9-6. Never.

Now all they do is win, and they finally got the playoff monkey off their back this year. Still not the top team in the NFC, but they are a great team.

Until Ryan actually wins something of value (other than 1 playoff game in 5 years, in which it game down to the final minute), I'll withhold calling him "Elite" or "Hall of Fame".

He's been a good regular season QB but hasn't performed in the post season. I can easily give him a pass his rookie season as a playoff QB but regardless of whatever statistic you or Saul or Queen drag up, the bottom line is that he couldn't score against the Giants and he couldn't score in the second half against the 49ers.

**Saul Good** · 03-11-2013, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I only cherry picked the most important parts, you know, the playoffs.

Where it matters.

But I guess where you're from, it's called cherry-picking.

Steve DeBerg was amazing one year in KC, too.

In the SF game, Ryan put up 400 yards and 3 TDs.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 10:49 PM

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It seems like you're putting Jeff Ireland on a Matt Millen, dane. I'm not calling him a good GM by any means, but he has made some decent moves.

Dude, he's pretty ****ing bad. He may not be Matt Millen bad but he's bad.

2010:
1-DT Jared Odrick Penn State
2-DE Koa Misi Utah
3-OT John Jerry Mississippi
4-LB AJ Edds Iowa
5-CB Nolan Carroll Maryland
6-SS Reshad Jones Georgia
7-DL Chris McCoy Middle Tennessee State
7-LB Austin Spitler Ohio State

2011:
1-Mike Pouncy
2-Daniel Thomas
4-Edmund Gates
5-Charles Clay
7-Frank Kearse
7-Jimmy Wilson

2012:
1-Ryan Tannehill
2-Jonathan Martin
3-Olivier Vernon
4-Michael Egnew
4-Lamar Miller
5-Josh Kaddu
6-BJ Cunningham
6-Kheeston Randal
7-Rishard Matthews

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***** may have done better (Berry, Houston, etc.).

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

In the SF game, Ryan put up 400 yards and 3 TDs.

And lost.

And didn't score in the 2nd half.

What was your point?

-King- · 03-11-2013, 10:52 PM

Matt Ryan compares to Alex Smith but Alex Smith doesn't compare to Matt Cassel.

Dane logic.

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Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	FWIW I don't know if Matt Ryan will ever win a Super Bowl. He's not the best QB in the league, and he needs help on defense big time. Thus far Tom Brady hasn't been able to win shit without a defense, Manning couldn't either. That being said, had Miami taken Ryan Sporano would still be around, hell, big tuna might be too. Mike Smith would have been fired in Atlanta, and Dimitroff would be another Patriot Way failure.
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