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Old 03-18-2013, 01:41 PM   #1
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Dude, every single move they've made this offseason is to "Win Now".

You don't trade for a starting QB with the #34 overall pick if you're not wanting to "win now".

You don't sign two of the free agent market's best cornerbacks if you're not wanting to "win now".

You don't sign a pass catching TE that had but one drop all season last year if you're not wanting to "win now".

You don't sign a 28 year old run stopping defensive end monster if you're not wanting to "win now".

And finally, you don't make your Franchise WR the third highest paid in the game or your punter the highest paid punter in the game, if you don't want to "win now".

The Chiefs want to win in 2013.
Doing all of that and then protecting your veteran "win now" QB with a rookie LT? Definition of reeruned.
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:45 PM   #2
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Doing all of that and then protecting your veteran "win now" QB with a rookie LT? Definition of reeruned.
In all fairness we do have the draft yet. And while I don't see them doing it if they did take a QB somewhere in the 1st/2nd the whole Planet mindset would change.

We would have traded for a QB, signed a QB, and drafted a QB and there would no longer be any doubt this team values and is attempting to improve the position.

I'd hate trading Albert or going Joeckel but if we turned around and used a 2nd rounder on a QB that fell I'd feel completely different.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:04 PM   #3
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Doing all of that and then protecting your veteran "win now" QB with a rookie LT? Definition of reeruned.
Not necessarily.

For whatever reason, the Chiefs front offices have wanted to ship out Albert of possible. Haley rode his ass, made him lose weight and effectively changed his game, which was leverage and strength. I have no idea how Reid plans to scheme his offensive line but clearly, they'll move on if possible.

And to say that a rookie LT would be a downgrade is complete speculation. We've seen plenty of first round tackle start day one and be effective, if not play at a Pro Bowl level out of the gate.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:07 PM   #4
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Not necessarily.

For whatever reason, the Chiefs front offices have wanted to ship out Albert of possible. Haley rode his ass, made him lose weight and effectively changed his game, which was leverage and strength. I have no idea how Reid plans to scheme his offensive line but clearly, they'll move on if possible.

And to say that a rookie LT would be a downgrade is complete speculation. We've seen plenty of first round tackle start day one and be effective, if not play at a Pro Bowl level out of the gate.
It's complete ****ing speculation to sit there and tell me that Joeckel will be better than Albert or play at a Pro Bowl level.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:15 PM   #5
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It's complete ****ing speculation to sit there and tell me that Joeckel will be better than Albert or play at a Pro Bowl level.
I didn't name names.

I said that its not outside the realm of possibility for a left tackle to start day one and play well.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:18 PM   #6
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I didn't name names.

I said that its not outside the realm of possibility for a left tackle to start day one and play well.
Correct. Ours has done it since his rookie year.....and he's doing it well.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:12 PM   #7
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Not necessarily.

For whatever reason, the Chiefs front offices have wanted to ship out Albert of possible. Haley rode his ass, made him lose weight and effectively changed his game, which was leverage and strength. I have no idea how Reid plans to scheme his offensive line but clearly, they'll move on if possible.

And to say that a rookie LT would be a downgrade is complete speculation. We've seen plenty of first round tackle start day one and be effective, if not play at a Pro Bowl level out of the gate.
Haley rode his ass. But Haley rode everyone's ass. What other indications would give you the idea that the Chiefs ever wanted to ship Albert out? That doesn't make much sense, considering they traded up for him, and haven't ever spoken ill of him.

And your second paragraph is humorous, considering how much you've already speculated that taking a rookie QB this year would be a downgrade...
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:58 PM   #8
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Doing all of that and then protecting your veteran "win now" QB with a rookie LT? Definition of reeruned.
This. Trading Albert and going for Joeckel will just be another move that flies in the face of win now.

The moves this front office is making are just baffling as they're fairly mediocre moves with little real upside, so if they're looking to win now they're really expecting the coaches to make a lot of difference. Reid said him and Dorsey believe you build through the draft, and I think that's the plan, its just a shame they felt the need to give up what they did for Alex Smith, but I think it was considered necessary (major need at QB, need someone they can realistically trot out as successful move to fans and players). I just hope they're not as married to it as they act like they are because I think its going to bite them bad.

I'm not at all impressed with the moves this front office is making thus far. Only time will tell if I hate the Alex Smith trade as much as the Cassel one or not, the rest is pretty meh (to me those moves look more like they're just plain filling needs more than have any real belief they're "win now" moves although I think they're hoping to sell fans on that). We'll see about the draft but I have a feeling I'm not going to be any more impressed with them after it.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:02 PM   #9
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I just hope they're not as married to it as they act like they are because I think its going to bite them bad.
All evidence points to the fact they will NOT be as maniacally married to Smith as Pioli was to Cassel. Reid has shown over and over that he is willing to change his mind on players to help his team succeed.
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All evidence points to the fact they will NOT be as maniacally married to Smith as ***** was to Cassel. Reid has shown over and over that he is willing to change his mind on players to help his team succeed.
That's my only hope is Smith is a guy they can trot out for some middling short term success then bench his ass once they find someone better.
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That's my only hope is Smith is a guy they can trot out for some middling short term success then bench his ass once they find someone better.
I think you can safely hold onto that hope then.

My hope, personally, is that Smith continues to improve as a QB as he has done each year in the league. In the last two years he lost only 6 games out of 27 and threw 35 TD's against only 10 interceptions. Passer ratings of 90.7 and 104.1. Lead a team to the NFC championship and got a team in position for a Super Bowl run. So, that's my hope.

But if he doesn't.. I'm sure Reid and Dorsey will look elsewhere.
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I think you can safely hold onto that hope then.

My hope, personally, is that Smith continues to improve as a QB as he has done each year in the league. In the last two years he lost only 6 games out of 27 and threw 35 TD's against only 10 interceptions. Passer ratings of 90.7 and 104.1. Lead a team to the NFC championship and got a team in position for a Super Bowl run. So, that's my hope.

But if he doesn't.. I'm sure Reid and Dorsey will look elsewhere.
Alex Smith didn't lead a team anywhere.

He grabbed on to their asses and was pulled along as far as they could drag him.
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Alex Smith didn't lead a team anywhere.

He grabbed on to their asses and was pulled along as far as they could drag him.
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