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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Please tell me, to whom was Smith supposed to throw down the field over the course of his career?

And do you know anything about the WCO? There has to be a metric or stat on PFF.

Dude even in the WCO there are plenty of intermediate and deep throws.

And it's not like Matt Cassel had all these down-the-field studs in Kansas City.

Alex Smith doesn't throw the ball down the field for one reason and one reason only...he's afraid to.

Alex Smith...throws the ball down the field less than everyone in the NFL save Christian Ponder....that has nothing to do with who's running routes and everything to do with the QB.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Dude even in the WCO there are plenty of intermediate and deep throws.

And it's not like Matt Cassel had all these down-the-field studs in Kansas City.

Alex Smith doesn't throw the ball down the field for one reason and one reason only...he's afraid to.

Alex Smith...throws the ball down the field less than everyone in the NFL save Christian Ponder....that has nothing to do with who's running routes and everything to do with the QB.

Well, I'd be afraid to as well considering he didn't have dick to throw to over the course of his career.

Look, if Smith had Matt Ryan's receiving corp or Rivers in his prime with Vincent Jackson or Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron or Andre Johnson or Sidney Rice and so on and so forth, and he didn't throw downfield, you'd have a mighty fine point.

But the guy played on a ****ing shit team for the first six years of his career with shit coaches. He had a very good 2011 but still, no downfield threat. He had another very good year in 2012 but still, no downfield threat.

So would you rather have an accurate QB that moves the chains and plays within his and the team's means, or would you rather have a reckless gunslinger that loses games because his receivers suck and he wastes opportunities?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I'd be afraid to as well considering he didn't have dick to throw to over the course of his career.

Look, if Smith had Matt Ryan's receiving corp or Rivers in his prime with Vincent Jackson or Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron or Andre Johnson or Sidney Rice and so on and so forth, and he didn't throw downfield, you'd have a mighty fine point.

But the guy played on a ****ing shit team for the first six years of his career with shit coaches. He had a very good 2011 but still, no downfield threat. He had another very good year in 2012 but still, no downfield threat.

So would you rather have an accurate QB that moves the chains and plays within his and the team's means, or would you rather have a reckless gunslinger that loses games because his receivers suck and he wastes opportunities?

Dude, we're not talking about 20+ yard throws down the field.

He throws less intermediate routes than Matt Cassel.

Than Matt Cassel.

He is completely averse to risk and does not throw the ball into NFL windows unless he absolutely has to.

The types of throws you saw Matt Cassel completing the last four years are going to be the same shit we see from Alex Smith.

He might complete them at a higher percentage...but he is a dink and dunk QB with a noodle arm who does not throw the ball down the field. End of story.

Who he was throwing to doesn't matter...because other QBs with "meh" WRs throw down the field more. Like...Matt...Cassel.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Dude, we're not talking about 20+ yard throws down the field.

He throws less intermediate routes than Matt Cassel.

Than Matt Cassel.

He is completely averse to risk and does not throw the ball into NFL windows unless he absolutely has to.

The types of throws you saw Matt Cassel completing the last four years are going to be the same shit we see from Alex Smith.

He might complete them at a higher percentage...but he is a dink and dunk QB with a noodle arm who does not throw the ball down the field. End of story.

Who he was throwing to doesn't matter...because other QBs with "meh" WRs throw down the field more. Like...Matt...Cassel.

I don't really care.

Using this metric to dismiss him as a Matt Cassel clone is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't really care.

Using this metric to dismiss him as a Matt Cassel clone is ridiculous.

That's only one part of the equation.

He also takes sacks at an absurd rate.

He also has a lacking arm.

He's also a shitbird on third down.

I think that's enough evidence.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

That's only one part of the equation.

He also takes sacks at an absurd rate.

He also has a lacking arm.

He's also a shitbird on third down.

I think that's enough evidence.

He was avg about 2 sacks a game last year. So 32 last season if he played the full season. I don't even know what's consider good on that front. How many time did Manning get sacked last year?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by philfree

He was avg about 2 sacks a game last year. So 32 last season if he played the full season. I don't even know what's consider good on that front. How many time did Manning get sacked last year?

comparing any QB's sack total to Manning's is a sham since he literally gets rid of the ball and takes hardly any hits and he's been doing that his entire career

compare Alex Smith's sack total in 2011 to Aaron Rodgers in 2011. That's more fair.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

That's only one part of the equation.

He also takes sacks at an absurd rate.

He also has a lacking arm.

He's also a shitbird on third down.

I think that's enough evidence.

While I believe that metrics are helpful in evaluating players, metrics should not be the only tool in which to evaluate players.

Moneyball and Sabermetrics don't work exclusively in the NFL. Hell, they're only part of the equation in MLB.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

While I believe that metrics are helpful in evaluating players, metrics should not be the only tool in which to evaluate players.

Moneyball and Sabermetrics don't work exclusively in the NFL. Hell, they're only part of the equation in MLB.

PFF is simply reflective of what you see on the field, Dane.

Watch Alex Smith play. You will see a QB who:

Has bad pocket presence and takes a lot of sacks.

Doesn't throw the ball down the field.

Has a lacking arm.

Doesn't convert third downs.

Watch him and you'll see all of those things.