My final Geno thread before the draft

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RunKC

But they are just better football players than Geno.

And Luke Joeckel looks to be better than Branden Albert for multiple reasons.

When does the enormous difference in positional value kick in for you? What position do athletes of Joeckel and Fisher calibre have to play for your to say, "I'd rather have Geno."

If they were passrushers? I might take Joeckel or Fisher. LTs? No.

What about you? What if they were safeties? WRs? TEs? 5-techs? When does this shit end with you?

I'm trying to say **** LTs. Get a franchise QB, plug the holes in your offensive line with capable veterans, and your team is good to go.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

When does the enormous difference in positional value kick in for you? What position do athletes of Joeckel and Fisher calibre have to play for your to say, "I'd rather have Geno."

If they were passrushers? I might take Joeckel or Fisher. LTs? No.

What about you? What if they were safeties? WRs? TEs? 5-techs? When does this shit end with you?

I'm trying to say **** LTs. Get a franchise QB, plug the holes in your offensive line with capable veterans, and your team is good to go.

And que RunKC firing back something anti geno and you two having at it in this thread.


Why don't you guys just agree to disagree and move on over the matter

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by SNR

When does the enormous difference in positional value kick in for you? What position do athletes of Joeckel and Fisher calibre have to play for your to say, "I'd rather have Geno."

If they were passrushers? I might take Joeckel or Fisher. LTs? No.

What about you? What if they were safeties? WRs? TEs? 5-techs? When does this shit end with you?

I'm trying to say **** LTs. Get a franchise QB, plug the holes in your offensive line with capable veterans, and your team is good to go.

Geno is not a franchise QB. That's why you are not Nobody believes he's a franchise QB prospect. If they did, than he would be the first pick in the draft easily and the 1st, 3rd, 7th and 8th teams in the draft wouldn't have gotten veteran QB's.

Joeckel would be better than Albert for multiple reasons that are easily specified.

An OT is the best prospect in the draft and Dorsey is going to stick to his word and draft BPA. Idk what is so hard to understand about that?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Geno is not a franchise QB. That's why you are not Nobody believes he's a franchise QB prospect. If they did, than he would be the first pick in the draft easily and the 1st, 3rd, 7th and 8th teams in the draft wouldn't have gotten veteran QB's.

Joeckel would be better than Albert for multiple reasons that are easily specified.

An OT is the best prospect in the draft and Dorsey is going to stick to his word and draft BPA. Idk what is so hard to understand about that?

Answer the question

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by SNR

Answer the question

I did. Geno is not a franchise QB like you are claiming. Hell he's not that great of a QB prospect at that.

If we take a QB, I want a guy who we believe can be a franchise QB one day. It's obvious that we aren't the only one's who believe Geno isn't that guy.

The LT's are the best prospects in this draft and that's our plan.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I did. Geno is not a franchise QB like you are claiming. Hell he's not that great of a QB prospect at that.

If we take a QB, I want a guy who we believe can be a franchise QB one day. It's obvious that we aren't the only one's who believe Geno isn't that guy.

The LT's are the best prospects in this draft and that's our plan.

How was that even CLOSE to what I was ****ing asking?

You claim Joeckel/Fisher are the best players in this draft, presumedly taking into account positional value and all that other good stuff. On the topic of positional value, I asked, "As Geno relates to the top prospects as a QB, at what position would athletes with the ranking of Joeckel/Fisher have to play for Geno to receive a better ranking than them on your big board?"

I'll explain again. Geno as a QB has his ranking on your big board. Fisher/Joeckel have theirs as OTs. Now, compared to other OTs in other draft classes, and comparing those players to THEIR draft classes, if players at the rankings of Joeckel/Fisher played say... WR... would they still be ranked ahead of Geno?

I ask, because surely you wouldn't come across the Luke Joeckel of OGs and say we should take him before Geno, right? So when do you stop with this nonsense? Geno, by the nature of being the top QB in a draft class, is worth WAY MORE than a Geno Smith who plays OT.

So... (I can't believe I'm doing this for you) if you answer my question, your response will take the form of a POSITION.

What would Joeckel have to play to be outranked by Geno?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by SNR

How was that even CLOSE to what I was ****ing asking?

You claim Joeckel/Fisher are the best players in this draft, presumedly taking into account positional value and all that other good stuff. On the topic of positional value, I asked, "As Geno relates to the top prospects as a QB, at what position would athletes with the ranking of Joeckel/Fisher have to play for Geno to receive a better ranking than them on your big board?"

I'll explain again. Geno as a QB has his ranking on your big board. Fisher/Joeckel have theirs as OTs. Now, compared to other OTs in other draft classes, and comparing those players to THEIR draft classes, if players at the rankings of Joeckel/Fisher played say... WR... would they still be ranked ahead of Geno?

I ask, because surely you wouldn't come across the Luke Joeckel of OGs and say we should take him before Geno, right? So when do you stop with this nonsense? Geno, by the nature of being the top QB in a draft class, is worth WAY MORE than a Geno Smith who plays OT.

So... (I can't believe I'm doing this for you) if you answer my question, your response will take the form of a POSITION.

What would Joeckel have to play to be outranked by Geno?

Depends on the team and the need.

And I don't believe Geno is a better prospect simply because he is a QB. I think the QB has to be graded out highly, which I don't believe is the case with him.

Joeckel and Fisher are better at their position than Geno is at his, as seen by what we've seen the last few months from everyone.

QB is the most important position on the board, but I'm not taking the top rated QB in the class simply because he's the top rated QB. I want to be sure he's going to be a franchise caliber QB, which apparently we don't.

QB, LT, pass rusher..and then WR/shutdown CB. Those are what you take if you have a top 5 pick.

But if you have one of those positions that your coach believes in and he doesn't believe a position in front of another is going to be as good, then you go down the line.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RunKC

And I don't believe Geno is a better prospect simply because he is a QB. I think the QB has to be graded out highly, which I don't believe is the case with Geno.

That's insane. Under that metric, there's absolutely no good reason at all for the Dolphins to take Tannehill or the Falcons to take Ryan.

Ravens and Flacco.
Bucs and Freeman.
Panthers and Newton.

The list goes on and ****ing on.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Depends on the team and the need.

And I don't believe Geno is a better prospect simply because he is a QB. I think the QB has to be graded out highly, which I don't believe is the case with him.

Joeckel and Fisher are better at their position than Geno is at his, as seen by what we've seen the last few months from everyone.

QB is the most important position on the board, but I'm not taking the top rated QB in the class simply because he's the top rated QB. I want to be sure he's going to be a franchise caliber QB, which apparently we don't.

QB, LT, pass rusher..and then WR/shutdown CB. Those are what you take if you have a top 5 pick.

But if you have one of those positions that your coach believes in and he doesn't believe a position in front of another is going to be as good, then you go down the line.

Who do you think would help this team more, Sam Bradford or Joe Thomas ?