**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#18 AP/ #20 Coaches (10-4,1-0)

Players

Spoiler!

Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference
11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)
Conference

Spoiler!

1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. 1 p.m.
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa 8 p.m.
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas 8 p.m.
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas 3 p.m.
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas 6 p.m.
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. 8 p.m.
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas 7 p.m.
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. 6:30 p.m.
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. 8 p.m.
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. 7 p.m.
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. 11 a.m.
Big 12 Championship
3/12-15/2014 TBD Kansas City, Mo. TBD Details

[ArrowheadHawk]

At least we can conversations on who should get the minutes. That wasn't the case a few weeks ago.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Bambi

I think you have Traylor way too low on the DC.

Yeah, unless Traylor takes a step backwards, I can see him getting quite a few minutes next year.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Kansas Jayhawks Land Memphis Transfer Tarik Black
16 mins ago by Trevor Lowry

Black averaged 8.1 points per game and 4.8 rebounds per game this past season. However, he only averaged 20.8 minutes per game, so he could definitely do some damage in the scoring and rebounding department with more time on the court.

I think you guys here get it, but don't expect a lot from Tarik. The extrapolation above is funny. Memphis was very thin inside, and were counting on Tarik to anchor inside and play 30+ minutes a game. Unfortunately, between foul trouble, poor play and questionable attitude issues, he wasn't available for more than the 20 minutes a game. I'm guessing that's all Self is going to ask of him. You'll wonder why he doesn't rebound better and impact the game more than he does though as you watch him play.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

lmao...Lucas is not starting, and is not starting over Embiid

Lucas was a fringe-100 player in a weak recruiting class...I'm sure he'll be able to contribute some minutes at some point

but on next year's team? nope

Why not? Perry Ellis was #24 in the country on Rivals, and he didn't start.

I think Embiid is going to be a better pro prospect than college freshman. He has tons of physical talent, but I see him getting into some defensive trouble.

You can mark me down as saying Lucas could surprise a lot of people. And he'll start, because there are no other big men who know the offensive sets as well or what HCBS wants out of the defensive strategy.

Self ALWAYS goes with experience and defense first. When Embiid starts learning what his job is and can play in position without fouling, he could start, but I just always bet on the guy who's spent a year practicing getting the nod early in the season.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Yeah, unless Traylor takes a step backwards, I can see him getting quite a few minutes next year.

I think all five bigs will get a lot of minutes in non-con play. Once we hit January, I have no idea what will happen.

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

At least we can conversations on who should get the minutes. That wasn't the case a few weeks ago.

Sweet, sweet depth.

Dude, we have THREE guys who should be pushing for serious playing time at the 2/3 spot. Except they won't, because we have the #1 player in the country there.

Amazing team next year. So amazing.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Why not? Perry Ellis was #24 in the country on Rivals, and he didn't start.

I think Embiid is going to be a better pro prospect than college freshman. He has tons of physical talent, but I see him getting into some defensive trouble.

You can mark me down as saying Lucas could surprise a lot of people. And he'll start, because there are no other big men who know the offensive sets as well or what HCBS wants out of the defensive strategy.

Self ALWAYS goes with experience and defense first. When Embiid starts learning what his job is and can play in position without fouling, he could start, but I just always bet on the guy who's spent a year practicing getting the nod early in the season.

Excellent post. That's what I think. I bet Lucas becomes a far better player than people expect. I'd guess his rebounds per minute will be very high.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Excellent post. That's what I think. I bet Lucas becomes a far better player than people expect. I'd guess his rebounds per minute will be very high.

So you like Lucas, but not Ellis?

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

So you like Lucas, but not Ellis?

Ellis is going all blows up this year. I have never seen the lights come on for a player the way they did for him last year. It was incredible.

I just realized how much happier I would be if this were a completely KU-basketball related board. Oh well, back to the "Chiefs have losing record or lose their 2nd round pick" dumpster fire thread.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

So you like Lucas, but not Ellis?

Ellis should be much better this year. He had a rough first year for sure. Of course the expectations for Ellis should be much higher than Lucas no? He should benefit from another year of weight training too.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Ellis is going all blows up this year. I have never seen the lights come on for a player the way they did for him last year. It was incredible.

I just realized how much happier I would be if this were a completely KU-basketball related board. Oh well, back to the "Chiefs have losing record or lose their 2nd round pick" dumpster fire thread.

But dude, we also talk about the Royals here.

[Bambi]

[Prison Bitch]

Is that nick Faldo?

[sedated]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Self ALWAYS goes with experience and defense first.

Not true at all. See: Wright, Arthur, Henry, Selby, McLemore.


Self plays talent even if its young talent. What Self does NOT do is redshirt a guy and the have him starting his (RS) freshman year over more talented guys - in his own words, he redshirts guys because they will be a nonfactor at 18 but will contribute at 21 or 22.

Of all the guys Self has redshirted, show me one that started over a top 10 recruit the next year (the closest example is Morningstar starting over Elijah, who was a 30-40 recruit, not top 10). He saves them for their junior/senior years when KU is short at a position (Reed, Teahan, Releford).

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

But dude, we also talk about the Royals here.

And Mizzou sports, which is lifeless and pointless as they are not winning championships any time soon.

If it weren't for KU basketball...wow, the Midwest would be a laughing stock for sports.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by sedated

Not true at all. See: Wright, Arthur, Henry, Selby, McLemore.


Self plays talent even if its young talent. What Self does NOT do is redshirt a guy and the have him starting his (RS) freshman year over more talented guys - in his own words, he redshirts guys because they will be a nonfactor at 18 but will contribute at 21 or 22.

Of all the guys Self has redshirted, show me one that started over a top 10 recruit the next year (the closest example is Morningstar starting over Elijah, who was a 30-40 recruit, not top 10). He saves them for their junior/senior years when KU is short at a position (Reed, Teahan, Releford).

Self has said that he prefers to recruit/have great offensive players and make them great defenders as well. If he had to choose he'd rather pick up a great offensive guy that is lacking on the D and make him a better defender to round out his game. He likes to make players work on both ends so they are ready to have a long tenured NBA career.