Alex Smith: Chief's aren't running a "Cookie-cutter offense"

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From NFLNetwork byline:

QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.

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Originally Posted by 9er guy

I have 114 for the regular season. Good for 30th in the league.

Are you factoring in the overall pass attempts? We throw the ball much less than most.

Originally Posted by 9er guy

All those targets didn't amount to anything because Crab and Smitty never really got on the same page. More than a few of them were errant passes that either Crab had to grab and fall or just couldn't catch. You can target somebody all you want. But if there's no plays being made, then it doesn't really matter. There's a reason he turned into a 1,000 yard guy when Kaep came on.

Your words here would have more substance if discussing Alex and Crabs further back in time. Alex and Crabs were getting a good rhythm building. Remember their last full game together vs AZ?

Alex leaned on VD more, because of their shared chemistry. Kaep came in and leaned on Crabtree more.. which was a detriment at times.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Our resident Alex Smith homer blames this on his lame receiver corps.

Still had Crab. Kyle Williams was good enough.

There were a couple plays that KW had EVERYBODY beat and Alex just couldn't make an accurate deep throw.

And it's not like we needed a 100 yard guy to win that game. We literally just needed an accurate throw past the sticks for a first down to somebody not named Vernon Davis.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Sure, it might be/probably is. But good enough to make the playoffs isn't good enough. I don't care or really have any interest in "good enough to make the playoffs."

If you're not willing to make that throw all the time, playoff success and deep wins and runs are hard to accomplish.

I would call going from what happened last season to anywhere in the play-offs a success. The expectation is that they can grow on that. I don't think there has ever been a team in the NFL that has gone from last in the nfl to a championship game. If you set the bar there, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

The cold hard stats are hard to accept for some...Alex Smith dislikes those wide receiver guys...

Wait...I thought you said 2012 wasn't enough to base any comparison on?

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

Wait...I thought you said 2012 wasn't enough to base any comparison on?

Agreed. You can look at 2011 too, when it was even worse.

2012 just shows what a real QB can do for your WR.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

There were a couple plays that KW had EVERYBODY beat and Alex just couldn't make an accurate deep throw.

Thank you for this. Alex Smith homers have been spreading lies.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

I have 114 for the regular season. Good for 30th in the league.

Crabtree was an after thought in this offense. I don't think we utilized him well at all.

It was Run, Vernon, Run. Run, Screen pass, run. Then maaaybe a throw to Crab. I'm telling you man.

All those targets didn't amount to anything because Crab and Smitty never really got on the same page. More than a few of them were errant passes that either Crab had to grab and fall or just couldn't catch. You can target somebody all you want. But if there's no plays being made, then it doesn't really matter. There's a reason he turned into a 1,000 yard guy when Kaep came on.

All I know is in the NFCCG we had 1 completion to a WR and we were 1-13 on third down.

I'm sure some of his games are on Youtube. You can see what I'm talking about in real time.

Bro. Im the biggest Alex Smith homer here. And, im also the guy who doesn't give KAEP, OR ALEX credit for Crabtrees breaking out. Crabtree, scored 3 tds, with alex smith in his last 5 quarters playing together between the Cards on Monday night, and the rams game. Crabtree, being at OTA's, Crabtree taking part in Training camp, and preseason, is why Crabtree became Crabtree. That had very little to do with the qbs. That was all on Crabtree.

114 is the target number for Crabtree in 2011. Of course its subject to web site, but the first one I pulled up, was espn's

There is no doubt that Kaepernick offers more to the 49ers offense than Alex Smith did. But, lets at least keep the stats realistic. Lets also remember, since you seem to know quite a bit about the 49ers, about the situation in 2011. You know, the lockout, the revolving door at receiver, Vernon Davis stating that until about week 10 he was so frustrated he wanted to quit because he didn't know the playbook.

Lockout, new coaching, rotating door at receiver, Adam Snyder, and Chilo Rachal at right guard.......

Any of this ring a bell at all?

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

I would call going from what happened last season to anywhere in the play-offs a success. The expectation is that they can grow on that. I don't think there has ever been a team in the NFL that has gone from last in the nfl to a championship game. If you set the bar there, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

I'm not setting the bar there. I'm looking a few years down the road.

I don't believe they can ever make a real playoff run with Alex Smith. Good enough to make the playoffs with Alex Smith doesn't mean anything to me, because I won't believe they can do anything once there with him at QB until he shows it to me.

Winning 21 games the next two years means much less to me than finding a QB they can win it all with down the road.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm not setting the bar there. I'm looking a few years down the road.

I don't believe they can ever make a real playoff run with Alex Smith. Good enough to make the playoffs with Alex Smith doesn't mean anything to me, because I won't believe they can do anything once there with him at QB until he shows it to me.

Winning 21 games the next two years means much less to me than finding a QB they can win it all with down the road.

Fair enough. I guess I'm not in disagreement with your perspective of what is expected then, only in our assessments of what Alex can do. I think if the chiefs can make the play-offs this year, they have as much of an opportunity to make the big game as any team. I believe success breeds success and Alex has shown that he can be a part of turning a team around. He just can't do it alone. He's not Manning...but then again, no one is Manning.

By the way, another good read, but again I have linkage issues...

"arrowheadaddict.com/2013/07/22/analyzing-alex-smith-air-yards-completion-percentage-and-depth-of-targets/"

[Mav]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

You know that might be part of it.

But at the same time I felt the first downs were there a lot of the time.

Like say it's 3 and 7. Smitty will throw 3 yards short of the marker.

Now, sometimes that's good and sometimes that's bad.

The point is he did every time no matter what.

So while I agree that Harbaugh's/Roman's overall philosophy is conservative. There times when the play-calling in games very, very, aggressive.

But I felt no matter if we were playing aggressive or conservative, Alex would inherently make the more conservative choice.

Im not taking any Blame from Alex Smith. He did throw short, at times. But, he didn't do it every time. There also, and I don't know if this was a coach cover up, Greg Roman himself, said they encouraged Alex Smith to take a sack at times instead of forcing a turnover. Called it, a "good sack"

Originally Posted by 9er guy

Still had Crab. Kyle Williams was good enough.

There were a couple plays that KW had EVERYBODY beat and Alex just couldn't make an accurate deep throw.

You are correct. In a monsoon, he couldn't throw an accurate deep ball at candlestick. One, because he doesn't throw deep often, and two, he doesn't have a strong enough arm to cut the candlestick wind like Kaep has. Those are truths. But, in that same game, he had no problem hitting Vernon deep twice on deep balls. Including the go ahead, before said kyle Williams fumbled his first time........Kyle Williams, had a really shitty game. Crabtree got called out on national tv by the greatest of all time jerry rice for being fat, and unable to beat coverage........
And it's not like we needed a 100 yard guy to win that game. We literally just needed an accurate throw past the sticks for a first down to somebody not named Vernon Davis.

actually, we needed Kyle Williams to hold onto the ball. He fumbled the ball on the second play of the game, remember the jet sweep that we always ran with Ginn, but because he was hurt they ran it with Williams, and he fumbled that too, which set us up with one of those SWEET 3rd and longs that weren't completed. He nearly muffed another punt when he went diving for it. And he did have two costly turnovers.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm not setting the bar there. I'm looking a few years down the road.

I don't believe they can ever make a real playoff run with Alex Smith. Good enough to make the playoffs with Alex Smith doesn't mean anything to me, because I won't believe they can do anything once there with him at QB until he shows it to me.

Winning 21 games the next two years means much less to me than finding a QB they can win it all with down the road.

So what if the Chiefs make the playoffs, and win a playoff game?

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Are you factoring in the overall pass attempts? We throw the ball much less than most.



Your words here would have more substance if discussing Alex and Crabs further back in time. Alex and Crabs were getting a good rhythm building. Remember their last full game together vs AZ?

Alex leaned on VD more, because of their shared chemistry. Kaep came in and leaned on Crabtree more.. which was a detriment at times.

You make a good point. Lemme ask you this. Who's your best pass catcher?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

You make a good point. Lemme ask you this. Who's your best pass catcher?

Dwayne Bowe. The best receiver Alex Smith has ever played with. Should be a good combo.

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Bowe will rape in Reid's system

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Maverick91579

So what if the Chiefs make the playoffs, and win a playoff game?

I'd be so happy for this fan base. But let's be honest.

And I'm not trying to be a dick here:

He's not surrounded by pro-bowlers everywhere he looks like he was in SF.

It's going to be an uphill battle. You've got a complimentary Qb with nobody to compliment.