Alex Smith: Chief's aren't running a "Cookie-cutter offense"

[Coogs]

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From NFLNetwork byline:

QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Yeah no one on here knows anything about Justin Smith even though he played at Mizzou and is from the state of Missouri.

Clearly, Clay has no idea about Justin Smith, and how he is used in San Francisco. He was used this last year, and all of his 3 SACKS, to hold blockers, for pass rushers named ALDON SMITH, to get after the qb. Now wait for it.

What is the Chiefs strength on defense? WHOA, THEY HAVE TWO REALLY GOOD PASS RUSHERS. So, the job of your defensive line, as it has been under the jets, under Sutton, and Rex Ryan.....

Don't worry, ill wait. Look, im not trying to be a dick here. Just mainly trying to explain why people assuming that the chiefs defense cant be good this year, is flat out stupid and reeruned. You had too many pro bowlers, and the offense was far too putrid, and pathetic to assume that if the offense takes care of the ball, and lets just say for the hell of it to appease the angry, that if we say, take 20 of those 37 turnovers your offense had last year from its qbs, and make them punts, we don't even have to factor in field goals, lets just say punts, with Colquitt, you have flipped field position, and you are going to tell me that your defense wont play BETTER? even top 10 better with Houston, DJ, Hali, a healthy Brandon Flowers?

Can you even argue that at ALL?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

If you read the last link I tried to put up, you'll see that statisically Alex faired better against above average passing defenses than the average of NFL QBs.

I read it. I'm a big fan of statistical analysis and the guy does some interesting things. I don't know how much stock I put in something like that, where the truly terrible guys and the elite guys are separated by such small statistical measures (5.82 yards to 5.50, etc).

I also think (generally) when crunching stats about Alex Smith, there's a failure to account for the NUMBER of attempts. If you have a QB who holds the ball and usually doesn't push it further than 10 yards downfield unless his receiver is wide, wide open, the number of attempts will obviously decrease, and the accuracy of those throws he DOES make is going to be really high.

I'll believe he can WIN games against good playoff defenses when I see it (and I mean, LEAD his team, not come along for the ride).

Smith throws fewer of the lower percentage passes, which helps both his completion percentage and his yards per attempt.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

You just tried to lie about Justin Smith and I caught you.

The dude has been a badass his entire career.

You are a liar, a deceiver, and you will be destroyed.

He's been a very solid player...but to say he was a badass his entire career? How many pro-bowls does he have? 4. When did he get them? After joining the 9ers.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

How many pro-bowls does he have? 4. When did he get them? After joining the 9ers.

Which was well before 2011.

Maverick = liar

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I read it. I'm a big fan of statistical analysis and the guy does some interesting things. I don't know how much stock I put in something like that, where the truly terrible guys and the elite guys are separated by such small statistical measures (5.82 yards to 5.50, etc).

I also think (generally) when crunching stats about Alex Smith, there's a failure to account for the NUMBER of attempts. If you have a QB who holds the ball and usually doesn't push it further than 10 yards downfield unless his receiver is wide, wide open, the number of attempts will obviously decrease, and the accuracy of those throws he DOES make is going to be really high.

I'll believe he can WIN games against good playoff defenses when I see it (and I mean, LEAD his team, not come along for the ride).

Smith throws fewer of the lower percentage passes, which helps both his completion percentage and his yards per attempt.

In a game of inches. I don't have a hard time believing the margins are that small.

If every QB could throw 70% completions, don't you think they'd all do it? If the knock on Alex is that he can't throw deep, wouldn't make sense that it'd be even harder for him to be that accurate short since teams would adjust for what he does?

He does throw fewer of the lower percentage passes...but he throws less overall. As a % of his throws, the margin isn't THAT skewed. It's less..but not OMG look at that.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

You just tried to lie about Justin Smith and I caught you.

The dude has been a badass his entire career.

You are a liar, a deceiver, and you will be destroyed.

uh, no clay, you don't even understand the difference between being a defensive end in the 3-4, and a defensive end in the 4-3. I have lied about nothing, and deceived nothing. Justin Smith is a great player, but his role, is, to hold blockers for Aldon Smith. By the way genius, do you even know how many sacks the 49ers D LINE, had last year?

8 sacks between, Justin Smith, Isaac Soap, Ray Mc, and RJF.

You don't know shit about what the function of the dline is in the 3-4 scheme.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Which was well before 2011.

Maverick = liar

it was 4 years ago, if I'm not mistaken.


BTW, if He's a liar for being wrong, then what does that make you? I've certainly posted erroneous facts here and have been corrected.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Which was well before 2011.

Maverick = liar

Yes, because I said he sucked. Clearly you are smarter than me. One of the best teams in the league on defense had a total of 8 sacks from their d line last year, but you are claiming the CHIEFS, who you say have NO D LINEMEN PERIOD, will be lucky to get 10....Whew. You sure showed me.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Maverick91579

Yes, because I said he sucked. Clearly you are smarter than me. One of the best teams in the league on defense had a total of 8 sacks from their d line last year, but you are claiming the CHIEFS, who you say have NO D LINEMEN PERIOD, will be lucky to get 10....Whew. You sure showed me.

Well looking at their line, I've kinda got to agree with him, they're not going to get many sacks from the line.

I just don't think they need it. They have enough beef to let the LBs do he work.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

it was 4 years ago, if I'm not mistaken.


BTW, if He's a liar for being wrong, then what does that make you? I've certainly posted erroneous facts here and have been corrected.

He is acting like I said Justin Smith sucked. I never said that. Justin Smith, became Justin Smith in 2011. He stripped Jeremy Maclin in the eagles game to seal that one. He batted down Eli Mannings pass to end the game in the regular season against the Giants, and, this is what let the WORLD KNOW WHO JUSTIN SMITH WAS.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Maverick91579

Justin Smith, became Justin Smith in 2011.

This is not true.

You are lying.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

In a game of inches. I don't have a hard time believing the margins are that small.

If every QB could throw 70% completions, don't you think they'd all do it? If the knock on Alex is that he can't throw deep, wouldn't make sense that it'd be even harder for him to be that accurate short since teams would adjust for what he does?

He does throw fewer of the lower percentage passes...but he throws less overall. As a % of his throws, the margin isn't THAT skewed. It's less..but not OMG look at that.

I believe the margins are that small. I just don't think you learn all that much from them when they're that small and when guys like Cassel make surprising appearances/look surprisingly effective.

I'm not saying anyone could do what Alex Smith does. He's an accurate passer. I think part of his accuracy - beyond natural ability - comes from some of the things he does well - setting up plays, checking into the right play, etc.

I also think part of it is his willingness to check down short of the sticks. He's willing to take the 6-yard pass with 2 YAC on 3rd and 11, and defenses will allow those passes in a lot of cases.

My main thing is I don't believe in the guy making ENOUGH throws like the winner he threw to Vernon Davis to win in the playoffs with any consistency. The throw into tighter (but not blanket) coverage past the sticks. That's backed up by experts who have broken down his play (and especially his play in the Giants game) and by countless 49er fans on the internet.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

Well looking at their line, I've kinda got to agree with him, they're not going to get many sacks from the line.

I just don't think they need it. They have enough beef to let the LBs do he work.

They don't need it. But, Clay has been preaching all offseason that the reason the Chiefs will suck on defense is because of their d line. And his premise has been because they lack pass rushers, which is true, and FINE. You don't need them in the 3-4. I have told him several times that the ideal for your d line in the 3-4, is that they suck up blockers to keep them off your lbs. He wont hear it. He also has rattled on about how bad Sean Smith sucks. and how the Chiefs defense cant be the 49ers defense, because. Even though I broke it down, position by position. he refuses to accept it.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Maverick91579

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZ_4TJ2R3o

Here is the proof. Yeah, alex doesn't throw down field, or seam routes......

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Holy shit is that your video? Brown boy production? Pretty sad you link to a video you created. You are so blind in you championing of a loser QB it is hilarious. Alex Smith suuuucksss, and until proven otherwise, which he will get his shot in KC, he sucks. Hasn't really accomplished shit in this league, despite years and years of opportunity. He looked semi-decent game managing a souped up Ferrari of a team, but in the end was benched in favor of second year player. *I realize Montana was benched, but he had won championships by that point so he gets a pass*

[BossChief]

It's gonna be fun watching people flip flop on Alex Smith.

I can't wait till the first round of flippers roll in.

Slowly, all these ball washers will disappear one by one...until there are only 2-3 left and they will be completely delusional.

Damn, I really hope I'm wrong this time.