Restaurant bans tipping. Guess what happened?

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Guru

This reminds me of another peeve of mine. Don't put tip lines on receipts when your place does nothing requiring a tip. It confuses customers. We have a couple pizza places that are carryout only and they put a tip line on there and it drives me nuts. You didn't do anything tip worthy.

It's standard on credit card receipts. It's funny that you mention that though. They do a hell of a lot more for your pizza than the drivers. They take your order, make it, cook it, and box it. Driver drives it to your house making the same amount as them an hour, plus gas and tips.

[007]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

It's standard on credit card receipts. It's funny that you mention that though. They do a hell of a lot more for your pizza than the drivers. They take your order, make it, cook it, and box it. Driver drives it to your house making the same amount as them an hour, plus gas and tips.

Not to disrespect at all here J, but everything you just listed is what they get paid to do right? Do in house pizza bakers make less than minimum wage like waiters do?

The issue with tipping that gets me is that it used to just be table waiting, bell hops, and bartenders that was the tipped position. Now it seems every position is a tipped position. I'm referring to my local places not places like vegas where everything under the sun is tipped.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Guru

Not to disrespect at all here J, but everything you just listed is what they get paid to do right? Do in house pizza bakers make less than minimum wage like waiters do?

The issue with tipping that gets me is that it used to just be table waiting, bell hops, and bartenders that was the tipped position. Now it seems every position is a tipped position. I'm referring to my local places not places like vegas where everything under the sun is tipped.

I know what you're saying. However the driver generally does less, makes as much per hour (doing the only job he does), gets reimbursed mileage and gets to keep all his tips. Typical driver spends (worse case scenario) ten minutes to your house, talks to you for 30 seconds, and smokes a cig on the way back to the store. So for 10 minutes of "work" he makes double what the people who bust their ass do.

Don't get me wrong, drivers are valuable, but they're kind of like offensive linemen. You don't notice them til they screw up. (which is the sample act of following a gps to your house).

[007]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I know what you're saying. However the driver generally does less, makes as much per hour (doing the only job he does), gets reimbursed mileage and gets to keep all his tips. Typical driver spends (worse case scenario) ten minutes to your house, talks to you for 30 seconds, and smokes a cig on the way back to the store. So for 10 minutes of "work" he makes double what the people who bust their ass do.

Don't get me wrong, drivers are valuable, but they're kind of like offensive linemen. You don't notice them til they screw up. (which is the sample act of following a gps to your house).

But I thought drivers were paid less per hour and relied on tips to make up the rest like a table waiter. Thats not the case? Not a biggie to me because I always pick up my pizza in person.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Guru

But I thought drivers were paid less per hour and relied on tips to make up the rest like a table waiter. Thats not the case? Not a biggie to me because I always pick up my pizza in person.

Some companies have went to paying $1 less than minimum wage but at the same time the majority did not. Mileage is paid accordingly so it was hit or miss but in my experience I made money on mileage while putting very few miles on my car.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Some companies have went to paying $1 less than minimum wage but at the same time the majority did not. Mileage is paid accordingly so it was hit or miss but in my experience I made money on mileage while putting very few miles on my car.

I used to put 100-200 miles per shift on my car and recently Pizza Hut was sued because they weren't paying enough to the drivers for not only 3-4 dollar a gallon gas but wear and tear on the vehicle.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I know what you're saying. However the driver generally does less, makes as much per hour (doing the only job he does), gets reimbursed mileage and gets to keep all his tips. Typical driver spends (worse case scenario) ten minutes to your house, talks to you for 30 seconds, and smokes a cig on the way back to the store. So for 10 minutes of "work" he makes double what the people who bust their ass do.

Don't get me wrong, drivers are valuable, but they're kind of like offensive linemen. You don't notice them til they screw up. (which is the sample act of following a gps to your house).

Drivers now make $4-$5/hr and have the 3rd most dangerous job in America with the Bad drivers and crime. Most of them do A LOT more than just drive the pizza to your house. Even back when I drove I made the pizzas, cut them, prepped up the ingredients and delivered them. They also destroy very expensive vehicles coming to your door.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Drivers now make $4-$5/hr and have the 3rd most dangerous job in America with the Bad drivers and crime. Most of them do A LOT more than just drive the pizza to your house. Even back when I drove I made the pizzas, cut them, prepped up the ingredients and delivered them. They also destroy very expensive vehicles coming to your door.

Nobody in this area makes that little. Literally it's one company that pays sub minimum wage and it's the one I came from.

Like I said I just spent the last 10 years running a Dominos as a Gm and DM.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Nobody in this area makes that little. Literally it's one company that pays sub minimum wage and it's the one I came from.

Like I said I just spent the last 10 years running a Dominos as a Gm and DM.

I have 2 friends that work at Dominos here and they make less than $5/hr and make anywhere from $5-35 a 4/hr shift in gratuity/gas reimbursement. Pizza hut(NPC) cut all of their employees to $4.25/hr, whereas it was just new hires. Papa Johns pays $4.50/hr here so i'm not sure what you're talking about.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

I have 2 friends that work at Dominos here and they make less than $5/hr and make anywhere from $5-35 a 4/hr shift in gratuity/gas reimbursement. Pizza hut(NPC) cut all of their employees to $4.25/hr, whereas it was just new hires. Papa Johns pays $4.50/hr here so i'm not sure what you're talking about.

I tell you what clown I would be more than happy to substantiate mine with a claim from a franchisee in this area. Can you do that. Didn't think so.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I know what you're saying. However the driver generally does less, makes as much per hour (doing the only job he does), gets reimbursed mileage and gets to keep all his tips. Typical driver spends (worse case scenario) ten minutes to your house, talks to you for 30 seconds, and smokes a cig on the way back to the store. So for 10 minutes of "work" he makes double what the people who bust their ass do.

Don't get me wrong, drivers are valuable, but they're kind of like offensive linemen. You don't notice them til they screw up. (which is the sample act of following a gps to your house).

People in back get a set rate (which they agreed upon because they work there) whether it is busy or not. Guaranteed as long as they are there working their hours.

There is value in guaranteed money. That isn't the case with the driver.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

People in back get a set rate (which they agreed upon because they work there) whether it is busy or not. Guaranteed as long as they are there working their hours.

There is value in guaranteed money. That isn't the case with the driver.

You do realize I spent the last 10 years of my life as a general manager and district manager of a pizza place?

Up until the mandatory minimum wage hike in mo everyone was paid minimum wage in my company. When it went over 7 drivers got paid $1 less plus tips, plus mileage.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

You do realize I spent the last 10 years of my life as a general manager and district manager of a pizza place?

Up until the mandatory minimum wage hike in mo everyone was paid minimum wage in my company. When it went over 7 drivers got paid $1 less plus tips, plus mileage.

That doesn't change the reality of what I said.

I am not saying I know more about running a pizza place than you just more so touching on kitchen vs drivers thing. I don't think the non drivers have any room to bitch.

[kindra68]

Originally Posted by Guru

... Do in house pizza bakers make less than minimum wage like waiters do?
...

the place i work, the hostesses and kitchen make more than minimum wage and still get tipped out.