Royals How Getz, Butler & Yost cost us our first chance in decades - Page 2

**petegz28** · 08-21-2013, 09:00 AM

Okay, okay, it was a long shot to begin with but we were making a serious run at making that long shot.

Enter the 3 Amigos: Chris Getz, Billy Butler, Ned Yost...

Backdrop:
It was a Saturday night in Detroit. The Royals had just swept the 1st place Tigers in a double-header the previous day. It was set for the Royals to take at least 3 out 5 from the 1st place team and at worst gain a game on them

It was a very playoff like atmosphere. Detroit took the early lead but Kansas City kept battling back to tie the game. Then it comes down to the last 6 outs of the game with the Royals trailing.

In the top of the 8th the Royals had scratched runs to tie the game at 5. With runners on 2nd and 3rd with 0 outs, David Lough pops out to the infield. Okay, Lough has been an over-achieving 4th outfielder, it's disappointing but acceptable and somewhat expected.

That brings us Eric Hosmer in the same situation with 1 out. The Tigers wisely walk him to load the bases and get to Billy Butler. Yes, that is correct, in a tie game the Tigers loaded the bases intentionally with 1 out to face what is supposed to be the best hitter on the Royals' roster.

Royals fans are thinking "the go ahead run is sealed, Butler will come through with the Sac Fly at least, right?", or were they??? Billy Butler, the DH, the All-Star, the man whose job is to do nothing but hit the ball....lines out to the 3rd baseman making it 2 outs with bases loaded, putting the odd squarely in the favor of Detroit and making them look like geniuses for walking Hosmer. Gordon grounds out, Royals don't score the go ahead run.

Onto the top of the 9th. With 2 outs and the go ahead runner on 3rd and the odds already favoring the defense, Chris Getz, at his direction or otherwise, puts down a bunt. YES! YES! A ****ING BUNT WITH 2 OUTS! Needless to say the runner on 3rd never scored and the Royals head to the bottom of the 9th tied at 5 to face the best hitter in baseball.

Enter Ned Yost. In a 3-1 count, Aaron Crow is somehow not told to pitch around Cabrrera. Instead he grooves a 3-1 fastball only to watch the game end as the ball went over the outfield wall. Royals lose, 6-5.

Game over. Season Over.

While there were no guarantees we would have won that game using more common sense, we would have had a much better chance at doing so.

I know there is plenty of blame to go around but later in life as I look back on this season I will look back to those 2 innings and those series of plays as to what finally broke the back of the Royals miracle run at the playoffs.

**petegz28** · 08-21-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

I'm not a Getz fan but would've never believed this...

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/ml...s.asp?rank=056

Which makes you wonder even more why the ****head laid down a bunt with 2 outs???

Chief_For_Life58 · 08-21-2013, 09:41 AM

yea that game was bullshit

Dr. Gigglepants · 08-21-2013, 09:44 AM

IIRC, especially since he just had a clutch RBI in the previous inning to tie the game.
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**HemiEd** · 08-21-2013, 09:52 AM

I don't get to watch too many games up here, but I think of at least a half dozen games where Yost's stupid decisions were the difference between winning and losing.

Last night, down by two, man on first and you "hit and run" into a double play prior to Hosmer coming to bat? Brilliant, no real threat to score after that.
I know us fans have 20/50 or 50/20 hindsight, but why was he just not outright stealing second? It was at Royals stadium, without a sandpit around first base.

Three7s · 08-21-2013, 09:55 AM

You're complaining about Butler lining out? Seriously?

Players don't get an average much higher than .300 for a reason.

**petegz28** · 08-21-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

You're complaining about Butler lining out? Seriously?

Players don't get an average much higher than .300 for a reason.

You know how much I could care less about avg? Not much. Batting Avg. is the most overrated stat in baseball.

Three7s · 08-21-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

You know how much I could care less about avg? Not much. Batting Avg. is the most overrated stat in baseball.

Way to address calling Butler out for squaring up a baseball and smashing it right at someone. Sometimes, you just have to hand it to bad luck. Getz is at fault, Crow/Yost is at fault, Butler isn't.

**petegz28** · 08-21-2013, 10:00 AM

I'll tell you what Butler has been real good at doing this year:

1. hitting the ball to the SS
2. hitting the ball to the SS for a DP
3. hitting a HR in the 8th inning when we are already up 4-2

**petegz28** · 08-21-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Way to address calling Butler out for squaring up a baseball and smashing it right at someone. Sometimes, you just have to hand it to bad luck. Getz is at fault, Crow/Yost is at fault, Butler isn't.

Butler is so. He put a swing on that ball not to lift it to the OF. He pulled the ball down the 3rd baseline instead of doing what he does best and waiting on it to take it to right-center.

WhawhaWhat · 08-21-2013, 10:03 AM

What is the % chance of a run scoring when the leadoff man is walked?

**Nzoner** · 08-21-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

You're complaining about Butler lining out? Seriously?

Players don't get an average much higher than .300 for a reason.

I'm complaining about Butler not being in the top 20 AL leaders in HR's,Sac Flies,RBI's or hits but BEING TIED FOR 1ST IN HITTING INTO DOUBLE PLAYS.

HE'S WAY ****ING OVERATED!

**petegz28** · 08-21-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

What is the % chance of a run scoring when the leadoff man is walked?

37.98% as of 2010

**RockChalk** · 08-21-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Way to address calling Butler out for squaring up a baseball and smashing it right at someone. Sometimes, you just have to hand it to bad luck. Getz is at fault, Crow/Yost is at fault, Butler isn't.

Squaring up and smashing? What selective memory you Billy-lovers have.

An inside of the bat jam shot that floats to Cabrera is not a jam shot, FYI. You'll notice in the video, the announcer (who was at the park) calls it a "soft line drive"

http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=...pic_id=8878994

For the record, I don't feel like Billy is part of the problem. But he's also not part of the solution. His production this year has been shit, especially for a one-dimensional player. He does us no good if he's not driving the ball for doubles and HR's. So maybe it's just a "down" year, but at age 27, production starts to decline. So that's not a good sign at all.

**petegz28** · 08-21-2013, 10:08 AM

When you know a Sac Fly is the least you have to get done, you don't go to the plate looking to pull the ball on a rope. We all know Billy's best swing is when he takes the ball o the opposite field. He has been trying to pull the ball all ****ing year which is why he is nothing more than a stat-padder for SS's at the moment.

WhawhaWhat · 08-21-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

37.98% as of 2010

vs. a 9% chance that Cabera hits a HR or 36% chance that he even gets a hit.

08-21-2013, 09:00 AM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1155873	How Getz, Butler & Yost cost us our first chance in decades Okay, okay, it was a long shot to begin with but we were making a serious run at making that long shot. Enter the 3 Amigos: Chris Getz, Billy Butler, Ned Yost... Backdrop: It was a Saturday night in Detroit. The Royals had just swept the 1st place Tigers in a double-header the previous day. It was set for the Royals to take at least 3 out 5 from the 1st place team and at worst gain a game on them It was a very playoff like atmosphere. Detroit took the early lead but Kansas City kept battling back to tie the game. Then it comes down to the last 6 outs of the game with the Royals trailing. In the top of the 8th the Royals had scratched runs to tie the game at 5. With runners on 2nd and 3rd with 0 outs, David Lough pops out to the infield. Okay, Lough has been an over-achieving 4th outfielder, it's disappointing but acceptable and somewhat expected. That brings us Eric Hosmer in the same situation with 1 out. The Tigers wisely walk him to load the bases and get to Billy Butler. Yes, that is correct, in a tie game the Tigers loaded the bases intentionally with 1 out to face what is supposed to be the best hitter on the Royals' roster. Royals fans are thinking "the go ahead run is sealed, Butler will come through with the Sac Fly at least, right?", or were they??? Billy Butler, the DH, the All-Star, the man whose job is to do nothing but hit the ball....lines out to the 3rd baseman making it 2 outs with bases loaded, putting the odd squarely in the favor of Detroit and making them look like geniuses for walking Hosmer. Gordon grounds out, Royals don't score the go ahead run. Onto the top of the 9th. With 2 outs and the go ahead runner on 3rd and the odds already favoring the defense, Chris Getz, at his direction or otherwise, puts down a bunt. YES! YES! A ****ING BUNT WITH 2 OUTS! Needless to say the runner on 3rd never scored and the Royals head to the bottom of the 9th tied at 5 to face the best hitter in baseball. Enter Ned Yost. In a 3-1 count, Aaron Crow is somehow not told to pitch around Cabrrera. Instead he grooves a 3-1 fastball only to watch the game end as the ball went over the outfield wall. Royals lose, 6-5. Game over. Season Over. While there were no guarantees we would have won that game using more common sense, we would have had a much better chance at doing so. I know there is plenty of blame to go around but later in life as I look back on this season I will look back to those 2 innings and those series of plays as to what finally broke the back of the Royals miracle run at the playoffs.
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08-21-2013, 09:41 AM	#17
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08-21-2013, 09:52 AM	#19
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $-559436	I don't get to watch too many games up here, but I think of at least a half dozen games where Yost's stupid decisions were the difference between winning and losing. Last night, down by two, man on first and you "hit and run" into a double play prior to Hosmer coming to bat? Brilliant, no real threat to score after that. I know us fans have 20/50 or 50/20 hindsight, but why was he just not outright stealing second? It was at Royals stadium, without a sandpit around first base.
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08-21-2013, 10:00 AM	#23
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1155873	I'll tell you what Butler has been real good at doing this year: 1. hitting the ball to the SS 2. hitting the ball to the SS for a DP 3. hitting a HR in the 8th inning when we are already up 4-2
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08-21-2013, 10:08 AM	#29
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1155873	When you know a Sac Fly is the least you have to get done, you don't go to the plate looking to pull the ball on a rope. We all know Billy's best swing is when he takes the ball o the opposite field. He has been trying to pull the ball all ****ing year which is why he is nothing more than a stat-padder for SS's at the moment.
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