Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

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[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

Like I said, Alex locked on Bowe. We don't know if Bowe was supposed to adjust, but Alex didn't think to check down to the TE who might have been open since the safety was blitzing.

My problem with the play is that we don't see Alex head look for another option or toss it either short or long of Bowe to avoid the sack.

He did in the first game, but check downs are looked down upon remember?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

He did in the first game, but check downs are looked down upon remember?

How goes it rob?

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

He did in the first game, but check downs are looked down upon remember?

I think Alex is a very good QB. But I'll be the first one to call him out if I believe he could have made a better play.

In a blitz, there's not a lot of time to react. You have to react immediately. He chose to lock on the WR and hold onto the ball rather than avoid the blitz by either checking down or tossing it away. I think that was a bad choice.

Of course, if he hadn't run right into the defender avoiding the blitz he would have looked like a hero for salvaging a broken play...but that didn't happen and here we are.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Carlota69

So bottom line, he should of thrown it away. Thats pretty much what I see.

Yeah, pretty much. Do you all agree that it was surprising to you and Alex that given the defensive play, the CB didn't backpedal at all?

Either way though.. Alex made himself look silly. I still don't see how the TE doesn't become the 1st read.. but it happens.. and with good coaching comes making note of that for next time.

[nychief]

this is a fascinating discussion about this one preseason play.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

I think Alex is a very good QB. But I'll be the first one to call him out if I believe he could have made a better play.

In a blitz, there's not a lot of time to react. You have to react immediately. He chose to lock on the WR and hold onto the ball rather than avoid the blitz by either checking down or tossing it away. I think that was a bad choice.

Of course, if he hadn't run right into the defender avoiding the blitz he would have looked like a hero for salvaging a broken play...but that didn't happen and here we are.

Well, I am a huge Alex defender as well, but that wasn't even near the worst missed play on a blitz. The worst was the Baldwin drag. he has to see that, he didn't, and chiefs fans have a right to be pissed.

Even if they had never seen a single play that Alex Smith had made in his career, this is what they heard and feared. A guy who takes too many sacks, fails under pressure, and can lock on to receivers.

personally, I think he is still thinking too much, and he doesn't have much trust in his receivers yet. I think that will come, but that game against the 49ers was hideous at best. And even the Alex guys like you me and mac have to agree with that, and I think we do.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Yeah, pretty much. Do you all agree that it was surprising to you and Alex that given the defensive play, the CB didn't backpedal at all?

Either way though.. Alex made himself look silly. I still don't see how the TE doesn't become the 1st read.. but it happens.. and with good coaching comes making note of that for next time.

It wasn't surprising at all to be honest. Just as I thought the Saints game plan was to take away anything deep, clearly the 49ers plan was to pressure Alex Smith relentlessly, and to take away the short stuff and challenge him to go long.

Now, with that being said, we don't know what audibles are in, or if there were any as they said they didn't game plan for this. We don't know what the option routes were incase of bump coverage, but what was sure is that on that play there were 4 short routes ran, and the 49ers sat on all of them.

one would hope that if it were a regular season game that Bowe would of had the option to go deeper with his route, and that alex would of lobbed it up to him in that situation especially with the safety on a blitz.....

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Well, I am a huge Alex defender as well, but that wasn't even near the worst missed play on a blitz. The worst was the Baldwin drag. he has to see that, he didn't, and chiefs fans have a right to be pissed.

Even if they had never seen a single play that Alex Smith had made in his career, this is what they heard and feared. A guy who takes too many sacks, fails under pressure, and can lock on to receivers.

personally, I think he is still thinking too much, and he doesn't have much trust in his receivers yet. I think that will come, but that game against the 49ers was hideous at best. And even the Alex guys like you me and mac have to agree with that, and I think we do.

I believe you may be right. One of my biggest concerns was how quickly he can absorb the playbook and make it his. He did it in 2011..so he should be able to do it this time also...

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

but that game against the 49ers was hideous at best. And even the Alex guys like you me and mac have to agree with that, and I think we do.

Meh. I found a few pass plays very discouraging with Alex, but if the other dropped passes are caught, the game looks and even goes better.. just as the rhythm builds alone. Hideous seems a bit harsh, but to each his own.

edit: added bold

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by nychief

this is a fascinating discussion about this one preseason play.

They have to defend their boy and keep the jizzfest going. Must not be anything else to talk about on their sites.

By week 4 and it's proven AS sucks, they gone.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Meh. I found a few pass plays very discouraging with Alex, but if the other dropped passes are caught, the game looks and even goes better.. just as the rhythm builds alone. Hideous seems a bit harsh, but to each his own.

edit: added bold

I admittedly have a higher standard and appreciation for Alex Smith and his abilities as a qb than most. Mostly being from his pre snap reads of the defense.

People can talk all they want about Kaep and his big play ability, but one thing that very few in the league do better than Alex Smith, especially last year, was pre snap reads and getting the team into the proper play.

Now, execution is a different story, but until I see Alex doing his pre play stuff, I don't have much to say about the play. Know what im saying?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

They have to defend their boy and keep the jizzfest going. Must not be anything else to talk about on their sites.

By week 4 and it's proven AS sucks, they gone.

No, by week four when the Chiefs are 3-1, and its not going to be because of Alex Smith, there is going to be a lot of "alex smith is being carried by the defense and Jamaal." and a lot of Pro Alex guys laughing in your faces because we told you exactly how it was going to go.

Me, the biggest Alex Smith guy on this board, or probably any 49ers board, or Chiefs board at this moment, I understand exactly what Alex Smith does.

He has no ego, he doesn't have to be the guy, he has no problem with Checking to a run, relying on the run game and the defense, and winning games ugly.

It is what he does. He isn't going to force much, he isn't going to turn the ball over, he will have the Chiefs in position to win a lot of games.

Its just that the box score, and the FF crowd are going to hate his guts.

I did a fantasy draft this morning, and Alex Smith came off the board before Joe Flacco.

And I DIDNT DRAFT HIM. I would never touch him in fantasy. ever.

But you can count on the Chiefs being in position to win more games than they lose because of him.

Hes not a top 10 qb. But, with the way the Chiefs are built, and the way the 49ers were built, he doesn't have to be.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

No, by week four when the Chiefs are 3-1, and its not going to be because of Alex Smith, there is going to be a lot of "alex smith is being carried by the defense and Jamaal." and a lot of Pro Alex guys laughing in your faces because we told you exactly how it was going to go.

Me, the biggest Alex Smith guy on this board, or probably any 49ers board, or Chiefs board at this moment, I understand exactly what Alex Smith does.

He has no ego, he doesn't have to be the guy, he has no problem with Checking to a run, relying on the run game and the defense, and winning games ugly.

It is what he does. He isn't going to force much, he isn't going to turn the ball over, he will have the Chiefs in position to win a lot of games.

Its just that the box score, and the FF crowd are going to hate his guts.

I did a fantasy draft this morning, and Alex Smith came off the board before Joe Flacco.

And I DIDNT DRAFT HIM. I would never touch him in fantasy. ever.

But you can count on the Chiefs being in position to win more games than they lose because of him.

Hes not a top 10 qb. But, with the way the Chiefs are built, and the way the 49ers were built, he doesn't have to be.

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[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I admittedly have a higher standard and appreciation for Alex Smith and his abilities as a qb than most. Mostly being from his pre snap reads of the defense.

People can talk all they want about Kaep and his big play ability, but one thing that very few in the league do better than Alex Smith, especially last year, was pre snap reads and getting the team into the proper play.

Now, execution is a different story, but until I see Alex doing his pre play stuff, I don't have much to say about the play. Know what im saying?

I get the bolded and agree for sure. Not sure what the rest means.. as it seems you have already said plenty about plays, regardless of his pre play stuff.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I get the bolded and agree for sure. Not sure what the rest means.. as it seems you have already said plenty about plays, regardless of his pre play stuff.

Again. I don't know how Andy Reid is going to deploy him in the regular season. I never watched enough eagles games to know how much Andy will let Alex audible and change things at the line of scrimmage. The only thing I know is that from watching Pat Shurmur who is from the Andy Reid tree, that he didn't let browns qbs audible at all.

If that is the case, I don't like Alexs chances. The thing that made Alex so good last year was the fact that he could change the play, the blocking anything at his discretion. Until I see how that works in the regular season, im not making any assumptions about the offense. I just know for sure he wont turn it over.