Chiefs Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on. - Page 82

Hammock Parties · 02:56 AM

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

Sandy Vagina · 08-23-2013, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Because you invaded our forum to talk up a QB that is incredibly bad and has shown how incredibly bad he is over and over again.

Parallel universe?

This is the same QB that was 8th in NFL passer rating in 2011... 1st NFL passer rating in 2012... top 10 in the last 37 games.. terrific win % of late...

I get that football is a team game... I get that Harbaugh and the SF offense didn't ask him to take over games and go wild in the Tony Romo mode... but an efficient QB that limits turnovers and wins far more games than he loses...

This is the QB that "is incredibly bad and has shown how incredibly bad he is over and over again." ????

That's just ****ing stupid.

Sandy Vagina · 08-23-2013, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

**** you! **** you right in your big ol wounded vagina!

childish, boring, and adding nothing..

Three7s · 08-23-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Parallel universe?

This is the same QB that was 8th in NFL passer rating in 2011... 1st NFL passer rating in 2012... top 10 in the last 37 games.. terrific win % of late...

I get that football is a team game... I get that Harbaugh and the SF offense didn't ask him to take over games and go wild in the Tony Romo mode... but an efficient QB that limits turnovers and wins far more games than he loses...

This is the QB that "is incredibly bad and has shown how incredibly bad he is over and over again." ????

That's just ****ing stupid.

It it?

I guess you weren't a 49ers fan from 2005-2010. A season and a half doesn't make a QB good, and even then, he wasn't anything special.

**Dave Lane** · 08-23-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

That's going to be tough to do when we win 10 games and make the playoffs.

How much you want to bet?

Carlota69 · 08-23-2013, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

LOL!

It should be entertaining. He will simultaneously be making every excuse for Geno while calling every defense of Alex an excuse at the same time... and the prevailing excuse distinction will be, "well uh, he's just a rookie, Alex has had 20 years to play."

I love the "just a rookie" cries... as in one breath, they point out all of the successful rookies of late to defend one particular argument.. but then completely flop on that when it's convenient.

Not only will Geno get the rookie pass, but(thurt) Fisher won't. It's a bizarro world around here.

Sandy Vagina · 08-23-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

It it?

I guess you weren't a 49ers fan from 2005-2010. A season and a half doesn't make a QB good, and even then, he wasn't anything special.

Never about what a player was or did many years ago. It is about the player he is in recent times and today. Sure, Alex was underwhelming and sometimes horrible in his early years. So were the 49ers and revolving door of coaching. Once the coaching became stable and capable, once the player personnel improved, so did Alex. Imagine that... a QB that needs good, consistent coaching and decent players around him. No way!

Setsuna · 08-23-2013, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

Not only will Geno get the rookie pass, but(thurt) Fisher won't. It's a bizarro world around here.

Seriously you're better than that.

Carlota69 · 08-23-2013, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Never about what a player was or did many years ago. It is about the player he is in recent times and today. Sure, Alex was underwhelming and sometimes horrible in his early years. So were the 49ers and revolving door of coaching. Once the coaching became stable and capable, once the player personnel improved, so did Alex. Imagine that... a QB that needs good, consistent coaching and decent players around him. No way!

"What have you done lately?"doesn't apply around here...

Carlota69 · 08-23-2013, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby

Seriously you're better than that.

Three7s · 08-23-2013, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Never about what a player was or did many years ago. It is about the player he is in recent times and today. Sure, Alex was underwhelming and sometimes horrible in his early years. So were the 49ers and revolving door of coaching. Once the coaching became stable and capable, once the player personnel improved, so did Alex. Imagine that... a QB that needs good, consistent coaching and decent players around him. No way!

History lesson:

Matt Cassel took over for Tom Brady in 2008 and had a "statistically" great year and "led" the Patriots to 11-5 and just short of the playoffs. He, then, went to a no-talent Chiefs team and went 4-12. There were already questions about Cassel's ability at that time, but we decided to give him the benefit of the doubt due to the lack of talent on the team.

Then, in 2010, the Chiefs developed an identity and Cassel simply didn't screw anything up, thus making the playoffs. Again, I must add that the Cheifs asked Cassel to do NOTHING but a random play action pass every once in awhile, seriously. Then the next two years, the real Cassel showed himself to be the horrific QB that we all started thinking he was when he was forced to actually do something.

What I'm trying to say to you, oh great Alexcuse whisperer, is that a QB can really florish and mask his weaknesses if the system is REALLY good and if the talent is REALLY good. If things unravel the way they did for Cassel to where he has to win games himself, we'll all know what will happen with Alex Smith.

Sandy Vagina · 08-23-2013, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

Not only will Geno get the rookie pass, but(thurt) Fisher won't. It's a bizarro world around here.

Yes, it's unfortunate that fans can get so invested in a particular agenda that they bend and twist everything to fit.

( and before people cry "you are doing it with Alex!" )... Maybe I am overestimating him on this new team. Maybe he will underwhelm and be nothing more than a mediocre stop-gap. I am fine with people lumping him into that average range of QBs, though I do think he has proven to be better lately.. top 12, but more around 12.

edit added in : What annoys me is the ignorant and exaggerated comments like this...

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a QB that is incredibly bad and has shown how incredibly bad he is over and over again.

Keep coming back to it, but really, Alex will be as good as the team around him is. If KC has a good defense, decent STs, decent pass pro, and capable receivers, the Chiefs will consider the trade compensation a fair one in time. If this team around him is much weaker than most think? It could be a 6-8 win season until they add a little more of what is needed.

Sandy Vagina · 08-23-2013, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

History lesson:

What I'm trying to say to you, oh great Alexcuse whisperer, is that a QB can really florish and mask his weaknesses if the system is REALLY good and if the talent is REALLY good. If things unravel the way they did for Cassel to where he has to win games himself, we'll all know what will happen with Alex Smith.

Perhaps. I think 90+ % of Chiefs fans rightfully believe that Alex is a superior QB to Cassel. I sure do also.

Add in new coaching and a few player additions since the Cassel days, and maybe just maybe you will be surprised and happy about the success to come.

Carlota69 · 08-23-2013, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

History lesson:

Matt Cassel took over for Tom Brady in 2008 and had a "statistically" great year and "led" the Patriots to 11-5 and just short of the playoffs. He, then, went to a no-talent Chiefs team and went 4-12. There were already questions about Cassel's ability at that time, but we decided to give him the benefit of the doubt due to the lack of talent on the team.

Then, in 2010, the Chiefs developed an identity and Cassel simply didn't screw anything up, thus making the playoffs. Again, I must add that the Cheifs asked Cassel to do NOTHING but a random play action pass every once in awhile, seriously. Then the next two years, the real Cassel showed himself to be the horrific QB that we all started thinking he was when he was forced to actually do something.

What I'm trying to say to you, oh great Alexcuse whisperer, is that a QB can really florish and mask his weaknesses if the system is REALLY good and if the talent is REALLY good. If things unravel the way they did for Cassel to where he has to win games himself, we'll all know what will happen with Alex Smith.

The Cassel/Peeonus era really has this fan base acting like a beaten puppy, and it's understood.

Cassel, unlike Smith, didn't even play a snap in college. That dude didn't even get to see the field during a regular college game. I never understood how even got a gig in the NFL. Smith was a very good college QB, who was drafted #1. Now, he has shown his ugly, but he has also shown why he was good in college. What QB are we going to get ? Hopefully the one who helps his team win games. .

Sandy Vagina · 08-23-2013, 07:31 AM

^ I never expected anything good for KC when I first heard about the Cassel addition.

Carlota69 · 08-23-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

^ I never expected anything good for KC when I first heard about the Cassel addition.

We did. A lot of us "hoped" for the best when Cassel came along,a nd that's part of why a lot of the fan base is pissed about Smith. It's a different scenario, but it doesn't feel like one.

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