Chiefs Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs - Page 357

Deberg_1990 · 02-27-2013, 10:59 AM

Well, it looks like the deal is done.

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49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith

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Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.

**Mav** · 08-26-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

I'm not saying this. I'm glad they picked up Bray, and his price made it even better. I just don't think he will get the time of day to start in the NFL while AS is a Chief, and his window on the team is only a couple years at best to get his shot. Don't see it happening for him but that is speculation on my part.

Now if the Chiefs took someone in the first or second rounds, then most would agree that they have a clear determined mindset at developing the guy and giving him starts in the future. No such assurances for Bray, who will most likely be a career backup.

Yeah, its 50/50 at best, but I have long maintained that place, and situation often dictates success, or failure of a player.

Tyler Bray has everything in place to succeed. If he doesn't, he wont have the Geno Smith excuse of place and situation. its ideal for him.

Learning from not one, but two vet qbs who have seen how success is made, Andy Reid, Doug Pedersen who helped groom Donovan McNabb, Brad Childress, and Chris Ault.

His situation is above ideal.

Red Chum · 08-26-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I realize the whole geno smith thing was big for you this offseason. I get it man.

But taking a guy they don't believe to have the necessary skills to be a franchise qb just to be "bold" and just to try, isn't something these franchises that are successful have done or do.

I respectfully say this because I like you as a poster and mostly agree with things you say, but this post reeks of emotional backlash.

Good post. The 2013 QB Class sucked. We were smart not to draft one.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

My point: Bray has sizeable and difficult-to-overcome flaws and is an extreme long shot. He gets an awful lot of discussion for a guy in that spot.

I agree. He is really overrated here.

GordonGekko · 08-26-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Oh, he's got potential. The throwing arm is above-average for the NFL and he's big.

He's also an immature, douchey troublemaker with questionable work habits who was not popular with his teammates because he was selfish and showed no leadership skills at all.

That's what turned a 6-6 guy with a monster arm into an UDFA rather than a 3rd round pick like Mike Glennon.

Yup. But these are the kinds of moves teams have to make at the Qb position to at least give us a shot at winning the Qb lottery. Bray cost us pretty much nothing, and hopefully he realizes he has been given a golden opportunity, and to retrain his work ethic etc. If not, he is gone and we move on.

**Mav** · 08-26-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Oh, he's got potential. The throwing arm is above-average for the NFL and he's big.

He's also an immature, douchey troublemaker with questionable work habits who was not popular with his teammates because he was selfish and showed no leadership skills at all.

That's what turned a 6-6 guy with a monster arm into an UDFA rather than a 3rd round pick like Mike Glennon. That says a lot about what NFL teams think of his ability to overcome his problems.

Absolutely. IN COLLEGE. Reports out of TC are that he has been anything but that. he has been a hard worker, had a good attitude stayed attached to Alex Smith. That's why Stanzi was shipped out in the first wave of cuts. They are going to let Bray play the entire second half and get him some experience, then hand him a clip board for the season, let him lead the scout team, and learn all year with no pressure.

Its a marvelous situation.

Sandy Vagina · 08-26-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

I'm not saying this. I'm glad they picked up Bray, and his price made it even better. I just don't think he will get the time of day to start in the NFL while AS is a Chief, and his window on the team is only a couple years at best to get his shot. Don't see it happening for him but that is speculation on my part.

Now if the Chiefs took someone in the first or second rounds, then most would agree that they have a clear determined mindset at developing the guy and giving him starts in the future. No such assurances for Bray, who will most likely be a career backup.

All Bray had to do was step up big so far and look better than Chase Daniel. Well, because of Daniel's contract, it would be very tough, or so you would think. Instead, Bray will be dicking around with the practice squad and scout teams. Now if his attitude and work ethic stay strong through the year? Then maybe KC dumps Chase for Bray as #2.. or at least makes the #2 spot a tight competition.

**Mav** · 08-26-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

All Bray had to do was step up big so far and look better than Chase Daniel. Well, because of Daniel's contract, it would be very tough, or so you would think. Instead, Bray will be dicking around with the practice squad and scout teams. Now if his attitude and work ethic stay strong through the year? Then maybe KC dumps Chase for Bray as #2.. or at least makes the #2 spot a tight competition.

No. Not at all. I think what happens is if Tyler Bray develops, after Alex Smiths contact is up, he takes over, and Chase continues to be a quality back up......

duncan_idaho · 08-26-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Yup. But these are the kinds of moves teams have to make at the Qb position to at least give us a shot at winning the Qb lottery. Bray cost us pretty much nothing, and hopefully he realizes he has been given a golden opportunity, and to retrain his work ethic etc. If not, he is gone and we move on.

Sure. It's a no-risk situation, but the chance of a payoff/reward are much more slim than many people here seem to think.

GordonGekko · 08-26-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

All Bray had to do was step up big so far and look better than Chase Daniel. Well, because of Daniel's contract, it would be very tough, or so you would think. Instead, Bray will be dicking around with the practice squad and scout teams. Now if his attitude and work ethic stay strong through the year? Then maybe KC dumps Chase for Bray as #2.. or at least makes the #2 spot a tight competition.

Somehow I got sucked into the "Bray-thing" going on here at CP. I really don't give a shit about him, I just think he does have 'some' upside, where a lot of posters here think he is a PoS waste of oxygen.

duncan_idaho · 08-26-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

An apparently, so did/does the guy we all wanted at 1.1.

Geno turned out to be a much bigger project than we thought/hoped.

I wanted Geno at 1.1 when it looked like he was a sure top 10 pick. I would have wanted him at 2.2 when his stock started to slide IF they had still owned that pick.

Smith has some of the same issues as Bray (mechanics, needs to learn to be productive in an NFL offense, needs to respond to coaching). He does not have some of the harder-to-fix issues (Bray: Lazy, party animal, selfish dick).

GordonGekko · 08-26-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Sure. It's a no-risk situation, but the chance of a payoff/reward are much more slim than many people here seem to think.

Definitely, but you have to at least have purchased one lottery ticket in order to have a chance at winning the lottery. This year that lottery ticket is Bray, next year it will be some other random Buttsex Magee out of some Hidden Valley State U.

O.city · 08-26-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I wanted Geno at 1.1 when it looked like he was a sure top 10 pick. I would have wanted him at 2.2 when his stock started to slide IF they had still owned that pick.

Smith has some of the same issues as Bray (mechanics, needs to learn to be productive in an NFL offense, needs to respond to coaching). He does not have some of the harder-to-fix issues (Bray: Lazy, party animal, selfish dick).

I agree, but as more things come out, I think there are more mentality problems there than we knew of

**Mav** · 08-26-2013, 01:08 PM

Well that ones new for me. Alex Smith has mechanical issues.

I haven't heard that one in years actually.

Marcellus · 08-26-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

it's the same old ****ing excuses

people just want to pretend they have some principled reason for defending 30 years of failed dependence on backups and vet QBs....

because the truth is, "oh no, it risky!" is all anyone is ever saying and it isn't high minded or pragmatic, it's just ****ing stupid

Its crazy that fans have no way of differentiating the last 30 years from last years draft.

Nothing the Chiefs have or haven't done and for that matter will do in the future, has a damn thing to do with how shitty a QB class 2012 was.

The fact some of you cant separate that fact is what makes you crazy.

Clark did not tell Dorsey and Reid they weren't allowed to draft a QB at 1.1, I know some of you tin foil hat wearing space cadets believe that.

Its not even a monetary risk now with the new rookie slotting system.

Had there been a franchise QB in this draft I feel confident Reid would have said thats my guy, just like he did with McNabb.

You can want a franchise QB to be there all day long, that doesn't make it true.

I think it was Parcell's who said "Need is a horrible talent evaluator" and that is extremely relevant to his last draft.

Have the Chiefs ****ed up royally on QB's over the last 30 years? Yes thats obvious.That still doesn't change the options available in the 2012 draft.

I think Bray may have been the best bargain of the entire QB class.

**Mav** · 08-26-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its crazy that fans have no way of differentiating the last 30 years from last years draft.

Nothing the Chiefs have or haven't done and for that matter will do in the future, has a damn thing to do with how shitty a QB class 2012 was.

The fact some of you cant separate that fact is what makes you crazy.

Clark did not tell Dorsey and Reid they weren't allowed to draft a QB at 1.1, I know some of you tin foil hat wearing space cadets believe that.

Its not even a monetary risk now with the new rookie slotting system.

Had there been a franchise QB in this draft I feel confident Reid would have said thats my guy, just like he did with McNabb.

You can want a franchise QB to be there all day long, that doesn't make it true.

I think it was Parcell's who said "Need is a horrible talent evaluator" and that is extremely relevant to his last draft.

Have the Chiefs ****ed up royally on QB's over the last 30 years? Yes thats obvious.That still doesn't change the options available in the 2012 draft.

I think Bray may have been the best bargain of the entire QB class.

people wont accept the fact that the top level talent in this draft was pass rusher and o linemen.

So, most of the people in the drafts top 12 were really stupid because they drafted 7 olinemen in top 12. Never been done before. Never been done where 3 of the top 4 picks were offensive linemen.

Sandy Vagina · 08-26-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Well that ones new for me. Alex Smith has mechanical issues.

I haven't heard that one in years actually.

he was talking about Geno, yo...

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