Andy Reid

[RunKC]

Get him Clark.

Bring in the walrus!

But seriously, he's getting the shaft in Philly. He's the best coach of the realistic options who proven the most.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by SNR

I don't know anything about horse racing because I was born in the 20th Century.

I think milkman falls into the same category.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by SNR

I don't know anything about horse racing because I was born in the 20th Century.

I think milkman falls into the same category.

You don't gamble on a car. You might overpay for a car but you can always make it perform to expectations.

The NFL is much closer to horse racing. You are gambling on every horse in the stable and whether or not a transaction is successful is based on the return, not the cost.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Poor analogy. The better comparison is the price you pay for a race horse, not a car.

And if your point about paying too much for Smith is true, the same could be said for what the redskins gave up for RGIII.

Value for veteran players is based on previous NFL production.
Value for draft picks is based on potential.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

You don't gamble on a car. You might overpay for a car but you can always make it perform to expectations.

The NFL is much closer to horse racing. You are gambling on every horse in the stable and whether or not a transaction is successful is based on the return, not the cost.

If Andrew Luck mysteriously busts out of the league for some reason, did the Colts make the wrong pick?

No, they still did the right thing at the time. Hindsight only gets you so far.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

That is straight up bullshit.
An NFL veteran has established his value, and Alex Smith was in no way worth a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

If I go to buy a used car and pay used Mercedes price for a used Toyota just because someone else wanted that same used Toyota, I ****ed myself.

No matter how you spin it, the cost can not be justified.

I don't give a rat's ass if Alex goes on to win the next 10 SBs, his value at the time of the trade was no ****y near the price paid.

I think that's a poor analogy, but i get your point.

However, like a draft pick I don't think you can judge a trade at the time of the trade. You can easier because you know what a guy has been to that point, but you don't know what he'll be in a different system for sure.

Value also depends on what the buyer sets it as, to a degree

[milkman]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

You don't gamble on a car. You might overpay for a car but you can always make it perform to expectations.

The NFL is much closer to horse racing. You are gambling on every horse in the stable and whether or not a transaction is successful is based on the return, not the cost.

I don't know anything about horse racing, but you wouldn't pay premium price for an established horse that has a mediocre record, would you?

On the flip side, you would probably have paid premium price for the pick of any horse of the Seattle Slew litter.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

Value for veteran players is based on previous NFL production.
Value for draft picks is based on potential.

Respectfully I don't agree. It's te same as free agent contracts. If your paying for past production, your doing it wrong.

Same as I don't think Reid a Dorsey paid what they paid for Alex smiths past production, but for what e can bring.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by milkman

Value for veteran players is based on previous NFL production.
Value for draft picks is based on potential.

Value of a vet also is based partially on potential. Production and potential are what you gamble on.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match about it, I just don't think you can judge the transaction until you see the results.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Let's start a horse-racing crew. Who here is short enough to ride? Anyone care to guess what the name of our first stallion will be?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Let's start a horse-racing crew. Who here is short enough to ride? Anyone care to guess what the name of our first stallion will be?

I'll be short enough in a couple of years.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't know anything about horse racing, but you wouldn't pay premium price for an established horse that has a mediocre record, would you?

On the flip side, you would probably have paid premium price for the pick of any horse of the Seattle Slew litter.

You're gambling on the return. You don't know if it was a good gamble until you see the return. I get you think Reid overpaid and you're quite possibly right.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Value of a vet also is based partially on potential. Production and potential are what you gamble on.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match about it, I just don't think you can judge the transaction until you see the results.

Yes, some weight has to be given to potential, but most weight, by far, has to be previous production.

And Smith's previous production, even with consideration of potential within your system, in no way matches the cost.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'll be short enough in a couple of years.

Drink more milk.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by milkman

Yes, some weight has to be given to potential, but most weight, by far, has to be previous production.

And Smith's previous production, even with consideration of potential within your system, in no way matches the cost.

Fair enough, you don't see eye to eye with Reid on potential.

I'm curious to know if you think the redskins paid too much for rgiii.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Fair enough, you don't see eye to eye with Reid on potential.

I'm curious to know if you think the redskins paid too much for rgiii.

**** no.