Chiefs Notes on Chiefs Preseason - Page 2

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2013, 06:54 AM

Offense

I took a lot of shit last week for saying Chase Daniel was "terrible." That language was a tad strong, but last game showed why. I want more from a QB who gets paid $3M/year to be a reliable veteran.
Tyler Bray had an effective preseason. But let's not get carried away. He needs time (better footwork, better decision making, learn to handle a pass rush) and his maturity is trending up, but I sure hope he can keep that up. Because it's clear he can make throws no QB has made in years. Overall really liked what I saw from him.
Best WR corps in years. Solid enough #2 in Avery. Great potential from #3-5 (Hemingway in the slot. McCluster and Wylie... be great to make them earn a spot as an underneath guy, and Jenkins earn his spot as a stretch the field guy
The offensive line isn't where you hoped it would be. Hudson will be a liability, Fisher is probably going to take some lumps early on. Our Guard play is adequate at best.
Knile Davis is a solid #2 option. I wish he could also play bigger, but with his speed, he doesn't always have to. He's a guy who needs clean blocking and running lanes. But if he gets to top speed, he's very effective
Reid loves to use tight ends and fullbacks. I don't think he'll be excited with what he has. I wasn't impressed with Sherman or Kelce. Fasano's a nice TE, but I'd rather him be a blocker turned safety valve
Alex Smith... is better than his critics say but worse than his fan boys say. He was what he thought he was. Mostly accurate QB in the short/intermediate game and tremendous rollout ability. The downside... he still doesn't throw his receivers open, tends to stare at his primary read, and he missed WAY too many hot routes.
Our special teams is going to be our offense's best friend.

Defense

Said it before, I'll say it again. People understate how much Dorsey's marketing efforts to restore the roar at Arrowhead will improve our defense
Defense is much better. Finally, a d-coordinator who will create pressure and will mix up formations. We saw a lot of exotic looks early on already
Poe and Jackson were beastly against the run. Poe flashed upside in the passing game, Jackson is a complete disaster there. Bailey, on the other hand, needs to be more consistent in the run game but can actually drive his blockers in the pass rush. He needs to get more snaps.
Dorsey brought in good LBs for cheap. Akeem Jordan is better than anyone we've had in years but I hope Nico Johnson starts soon. Also give Dorsey credit for getting tremendous safety depth for cheap. Demps and Abdullah were great cheap adds
Eric Berry is going to be a weapon. Blitzing, playing LB, playing center field... he'll play everywhere.
Kendrick Lewis is going to be a huge liability and I worry he'll give up big plays. We need speed back there.
Speaking of big plays, we saw flashes of a defense that can be too aggressive at times. We're going to shut down running games, but if any back squeaks by... trouble. I have a bad feeling we're also going to bite hard on playactions and bootlegs, and at times overpursue a ballcarrier.
Our CB depth is disastrous. If any of our CBs are injured, we're screwed. Sadly, our Safeties are handling a lot of Nickel and Dime responsibilities that should be handled by CBs
I like Sutton's press coverage. Which means, the Chiefs HAVE to put pressure on the QB. Sean Smith is a better pickup than he gets credit for being.

**Rausch** · 08-30-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's no doubt the guy can be a great technical QB. He has some footwork and decision making issues that can get worked out. I just hope this experience and being surrounded by veterans like Alex Smith and Chase Daniel, as well as a very good offensive staff can beat the immaturity out of him. Or that the kid can learn to be a leader, which is easier said than done. Would be a shame for that much talent to go to waste.

McNabb was somewhat immature when he came out (and there's a good argument he still is) but Reid was able to work with him...

**ChiTown** · 08-30-2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

Offense - average
Defense - average.

that's my take.

We are a 6-10 team, with the potential to get to 8 or 9 wins with a few lucky breaks.

**Rausch** · 08-30-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

We are a 6-10 team, with the potential to get to 8 or 9 wins with a few lucky breaks.

Our schedule is one helluva' lucky break...

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2013, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

McNabb was somewhat immature when he came out (and there's a good argument he still is) but Reid was able to work with him...

Well... no matter what, you couldn't imagine a better situation for him.

Sandy Vagina · 08-30-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I've seen too many passes where Smith will wait for his receivers to break open and the ball gets there a touch (or more) too late. He's almost too careful. I don't think that's a risk throw at all. He has to anticipate his guys getting open instead of taking the safe route every time.

Yeah, that's fine, and true enough for a couple passes per game.

We can call it excuses, but I think (hope) that this timing issue is more due to a building but unrefined chemistry between QB and his new targets. Maybe they work that stuff out better and better as they go... maybe not.

InChiefsHeaven · 08-30-2013, 07:49 AM

Reid said last night that Wiley tweaked a hammy and they pulled him out for that reason, no sense exacerbating the hammy tweak in a pre-season game. I think Wiley is fine. He said the same of another guy who left the game, name escapes me. It was hot as hell and the final pre-season game. Basically, he said the only guy who is now officially out was the lineman with the torn bicep. Again, name escapes me.

**RealSNR** · 08-30-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

here's a thought nobody brought up -- wylie is cut and Hammond/Hemingway make the 53.

Oh, so it's not just your opinion of Bowe that's reeruned. You legitimately have no ****ing clue when it comes to WRs.

Is it a mental disability or something? I'm sorry if I offended you in the past.

O.city · 08-30-2013, 08:08 AM

The fascination withn Wylie is beyond me, but good job here.

I actually agree with buzz, but I'd cut/trade dex and let Hammond return punts and put Hemingway in the slot

**RealSNR** · 08-30-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The fascination withn Wylie is beyond me, but good job here.

I actually agree with buzz, but I'd cut/trade dex and let Hammond return punts and put Hemingway in the slot

Hammond is ****ing garbage. Why would you put him on the team to do anything but serve gatorade to the real WRs?

O.city · 08-30-2013, 08:26 AM

Hammond looked better returning punts last night than dex or Wylie ever have.

**RealSNR** · 08-30-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Hammond looked better returning punts last night than dex or Wylie ever have.

He had one solid return. The rest of them were Dante Hall wannabe returns.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The fascination withn Wylie is beyond me, but good job here.

I actually agree with buzz, but I'd cut/trade dex and let Hammond return punts and put Hemingway in the slot

I don't think it's a fascination with Wylie. Wylie makes the team on special teams alone, just like Jalil Brown. But even better that, like Brown, he can actually have a role on the team (a slot guy who isn't there yet, but definitely has the speed and agility to develop into one...). If Wylie weren't so good at special teams, I'd agree with you.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Hammond looked better returning punts last night than dex or Wylie ever have.

I think there are plenty of guys who can do the same thing, but can actually contribute elsewhere. Hammond isn't a good receiver, and he's not good enough to be a pure return guy. If you're unimpressed with Dex or Wylie, you have Knile Davis and Demps, both of whom looked very good.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 08-30-2013, 08:31 AM

As far as guys fighting for positions. I really liked what i saw out of Bradley McDougald and Abdullah as Safeties. Jalil Brown looked to improve as the preseason went along, as well... Was impressed by Catapano.

O.city · 08-30-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think there are plenty of guys who can do the same thing, but can actually contribute elsewhere. Hammond isn't a good receiver, and he's not good enough to be a pure return guy. If you're unimpressed with Dex or Wylie, you have Knile Davis and Demps, both of whom looked very good.

Iirc, neither of them have returned a punt.

08-30-2013, 06:54 AM
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1765503	Notes on Chiefs Preseason Offense I took a lot of shit last week for saying Chase Daniel was "terrible." That language was a tad strong, but last game showed why. I want more from a QB who gets paid $3M/year to be a reliable veteran. Tyler Bray had an effective preseason. But let's not get carried away. He needs time (better footwork, better decision making, learn to handle a pass rush) and his maturity is trending up, but I sure hope he can keep that up. Because it's clear he can make throws no QB has made in years. Overall really liked what I saw from him. Best WR corps in years. Solid enough #2 in Avery. Great potential from #3-5 (Hemingway in the slot. McCluster and Wylie... be great to make them earn a spot as an underneath guy, and Jenkins earn his spot as a stretch the field guy The offensive line isn't where you hoped it would be. Hudson will be a liability, Fisher is probably going to take some lumps early on. Our Guard play is adequate at best. Knile Davis is a solid #2 option. I wish he could also play bigger, but with his speed, he doesn't always have to. He's a guy who needs clean blocking and running lanes. But if he gets to top speed, he's very effective Reid loves to use tight ends and fullbacks. I don't think he'll be excited with what he has. I wasn't impressed with Sherman or Kelce. Fasano's a nice TE, but I'd rather him be a blocker turned safety valve Alex Smith... is better than his critics say but worse than his fan boys say. He was what he thought he was. Mostly accurate QB in the short/intermediate game and tremendous rollout ability. The downside... he still doesn't throw his receivers open, tends to stare at his primary read, and he missed WAY too many hot routes. Our special teams is going to be our offense's best friend. Defense Said it before, I'll say it again. People understate how much Dorsey's marketing efforts to restore the roar at Arrowhead will improve our defense Defense is much better. Finally, a d-coordinator who will create pressure and will mix up formations. We saw a lot of exotic looks early on already Poe and Jackson were beastly against the run. Poe flashed upside in the passing game, Jackson is a complete disaster there. Bailey, on the other hand, needs to be more consistent in the run game but can actually drive his blockers in the pass rush. He needs to get more snaps. Dorsey brought in good LBs for cheap. Akeem Jordan is better than anyone we've had in years but I hope Nico Johnson starts soon. Also give Dorsey credit for getting tremendous safety depth for cheap. Demps and Abdullah were great cheap adds Eric Berry is going to be a weapon. Blitzing, playing LB, playing center field... he'll play everywhere. Kendrick Lewis is going to be a huge liability and I worry he'll give up big plays. We need speed back there. Speaking of big plays, we saw flashes of a defense that can be too aggressive at times. We're going to shut down running games, but if any back squeaks by... trouble. I have a bad feeling we're also going to bite hard on playactions and bootlegs, and at times overpursue a ballcarrier. Our CB depth is disastrous. If any of our CBs are injured, we're screwed. Sadly, our Safeties are handling a lot of Nickel and Dime responsibilities that should be handled by CBs I like Sutton's press coverage. Which means, the Chiefs HAVE to put pressure on the QB. Sean Smith is a better pickup than he gets credit for being.
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InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $595437	Reid said last night that Wiley tweaked a hammy and they pulled him out for that reason, no sense exacerbating the hammy tweak in a pre-season game. I think Wiley is fine. He said the same of another guy who left the game, name escapes me. It was hot as hell and the final pre-season game. Basically, he said the only guy who is now officially out was the lineman with the torn bicep. Again, name escapes me. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	The fascination withn Wylie is beyond me, but good job here. I actually agree with buzz, but I'd cut/trade dex and let Hammond return punts and put Hemingway in the slot
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	Hammond looked better returning punts last night than dex or Wylie ever have.
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Fansy the Famous Bard I'm with the Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $-1163560	As far as guys fighting for positions. I really liked what i saw out of Bradley McDougald and Abdullah as Safeties. Jalil Brown looked to improve as the preseason went along, as well... Was impressed by Catapano. __________________ Hi.
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