Tyler Bray > Geno Smith

[Mr_Tomahawk]

...B-U-S-T, Bust Bust Bust Bust!

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I realize this is becoming part of the ChiefsPlanet lexicon, but a lot of the guys who loved Geno Smith as a prospect did not like any of the other guys. I know I didn't, and I know several of us talked about that in the Geno thread at one point... I think it was before the season ended and before the thread contracted AIDS for the first time.

Well thats just proof this QB class sucked balls. If Geno was the only best option holy shit this QB class will go down as one of the worst ever.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

WTF said it did.

Do you even read what you write?

[ChiefsCountry]

Who in the hell wanted Matt Leinart? That's just laz talking out of his ass again.
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[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Do you even read what you write?

What I am reading is you trying to say I guaranteed Fisher will live up to his potential.

That guarantee doesn't exist for any player including Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck is still expected to get better I assume? Even though he was NFL ready right?

Now you can evaluate each player and look at who is most likely to develop into their fullest potential and make decisions based on that.

Are you arguing that more scouts and GM's had Geno rated as 1.1 talent than Fisher?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is horseshit and you know it. You just hated the pick.

Regardless I am not defending Fisher, the fact is Geno looks to be a turd.

Funny how all the Geno ball washers just start railing on Fisher to defend Geno stinking it up.

Fisher may end up busting (though that is highly highly unlikely) that wont change anything if Geno is a turd. Geno will still be turd.

I also disagree Fisher is a project and you will see that soon enough.

It's a simple as this... He was picked 1.1. But he's not playing the position you claim the Chiefs drafted him to play. As the first overall pick. That says development, there's no other way to justify it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fish

It's a simple as this... He was picked 1.1. But he's not playing the position you claim the Chiefs drafted him to play. As the first overall pick. That says development, there's no other way to justify it.

The 1.2 and 1.4 were Right Tackles. The 1.7 was a Guard, which is below Right Tackle in positional value. And between Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, and Chip Kelly, these are all Offensive-minded coaches. Fisher isn't playing Right Tackle now because he's incapable of playing Right Tackle. He's playing there because the Chiefs have a viable Left Tackle option for now.

And some are starting to argue that the Right Tackle is every bit as important as the Left Tackle.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

What I am reading is you trying to say I guaranteed Fisher will live up to his potential.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

He was not the most immediately polished but had the highest ceiling, thats not a "project" thats a he may not be the best right now but he will be.

WILL be. WILL.

There is no WILL.

Fisher was drafted as not the best player at his position. According to the experts his floor is lower than other players drafted after him, but his potential is greater. He COULD be better. But that is going to require work and development. AKA a project, dumbass.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Fish

It's a simple as this... He was picked 1.1. But he's not playing the position you claim the Chiefs drafted him to play. As the first overall pick. That says development, there's no other way to justify it.

Where is Luke Joeckel playing this year Fish?

Where is Lane Johnson playing this year?

Oh snap 3 of the top 4 players drafted are playing RT this season.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by jd1020

WILL be. WILL.

There is no WILL.

Fisher was drafted as not the best player at his position. According to the experts his floor is lower than other players drafted after him, but his potential is greater. He COULD be better. But that is going to require work and development. AKA a project, dumbass.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Where is Luke Joeckel playing this year Fish?

Where is Lane Johnson playing this year?

Oh snap 3 of the top 4 players drafted are playing RT this season.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The 1.2 and 1.4 were Right Tackles. The 1.7 was a Guard, which is below Right Tackle in positional value. And between Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, and Chip Kelly, these are all Offensive-minded coaches. Fisher isn't playing Right Tackle now because he's incapable of playing Right Tackle. He's playing there because the Chiefs have a viable Left Tackle option for now.

And some are starting to argue that the Right Tackle is every bit as important as the Left Tackle.

So you're saying he's not good enough to beat out the left tackle we already had on the team, that was drafted lower?

That's not convincing.. Either he's good enough to play LT out of the gate, and should have no trouble beating the current LT, or he needs development before being able to take the position. That's how it works...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well thats just proof this QB class sucked balls. If Geno was the only best option holy shit this QB class will go down as one of the worst ever.

Did you read what I wrote? It had nothing to do with any of the other QBs in the 2013 class.

Also, to your assertion that a 1.1 QB must be ready to step in and make the players around him better from Day 1...

Not many guys like that between Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. I still maintain that Luck was so good and so ready that it is skewing many's expectations for a QB taken at 1.1.

That QB doesn't have to be perfect and ready to start Game 1. Look at the guys taken 1.1 at QB between Manning and Luck. There are a lot of guys in there who were not ready to do what you claim a 1.1 QB must do.

Newton is about the only one who started right away and was really good, and he's a really unique player. The other effective guys either took some time to get ready to start (Eli, Palmer, Vick). Most of the ones asked to start right away were terrible right away (Alex Smith, Carr, Couch, Stafford). Two of those guys eventually became better.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fish

So you're saying he's not good enough to beat out the left tackle we already had on the team, that was drafted lower?

That's not convincing.. Either he's good enough to play LT out of the gate, and should have no trouble beating the current LT, or he needs development before being able to take the position. That's how it works...

Fisher was named Right Tackle soon after being drafted. And that story would be different if the Chiefs were able to move Albert.

There was no point in moving Albert to Right Tackle. Let's not make this a story of Fisher being unable to beat out Albert in a fair LT competition. It was clear the Chiefs were going Fisher at RT, Albert at LT right after the draft. The Chiefs also haven't committed to Albert beyond this year, so there's obviously still a likelihood that Fisher could play Left Tackle in 2014.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

That's the stupidest comment in history. Lets draft a RT at 1.1 who needs time to develop. This fan base has to have battered wife syndrome.

Some people must be JITP at the thought of Bray turning into a decent QB. Of course, it would be awesome to strike gold, but winning the lottery doesn't automatically make the 'first round OT/no QBs in the first 3 rounds' strategy a valid one.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well thats just proof this QB class sucked balls. If Geno was the only best option holy shit this QB class will go down as one of the worst ever.

The entire draft is going to go down as one of the weaker draft classes of this century. You usually get one player in a draft that is supposed to be a clear cut difference maker. This one didn't have one.

At the time of the draft im saying. Im sure someone will stand out in 3 years and then there will be a debate much like about the 2009 draft, of OH, HOW COULD WE OF PASSED ON THAT GUY.

Ive been doing that with the browns for years.

WE PASSED ON WILSON FOR WEEDEN? MORONS!!!

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Fish

So you're saying he's not good enough to beat out the left tackle we already had on the team, that was drafted lower?

That's not convincing.. Either he's good enough to play LT out of the gate, and should have no trouble beating the current LT, or he needs development before being able to take the position. That's how it works...

It happens a lot lately.

Joe Staley was the 22nd pick in the draft, Anthony Davis was the 11th, and Anthony Davis is now considered one of the best right tackles, and Joe Staley one of the left.

Michael Oher was drafted as the Left Tackle heir apparent to Ogden, he is now their right tackle.

Shrugs. It happens. As long as Fisher doesn't end up at guard, and he is a solid RT for his career, no one should complain. 10-12 years of not having to worry about a tackle is a nice problem to have.