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Old 08-24-2013, 08:03 PM  
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:56 PM   #151
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:01 PM   #152
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Bray playing well and G. Smith tanking really knits a clown suit for the "Geno at 1.1" crowd.. so far anyway
Success has a lot to do with being in the right place at the right time, and I think nearly all of us pro or con Geno would say that New York wasn't only not the right place for him, but it's probably not the right place for any rookie qb. I can only imagine what it would look like right now if Bray was a Jet and Geno a second round pick here. NY media right now might be calling Bray the worst undrafted waste of a QB ever, and Geno could just as well have looked like a great 2nd round pick after feeding on Green Bay's 2nd and 3rd stringers for three quarters yesterday night. It's just circumstances and environment.

Hopefully Bray continues to look like he did. Hopefully he turns into the next Kurt Warner story and we see him here for 15 years of a hall of fame career, and he becomes the all-time face of the team. Because that would be awesome. As far as Geno goes, as big a fan as I was heading into April, the reality is that we didn't draft him, and I hate New York, so him not doing well doesn't really phase me all that much. My only investment here is wanting the Chiefs to win.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:06 PM   #153
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Success has a lot to do with being in the right place at the right time, and I think nearly all of us pro or con Geno would say that New York wasn't only not the right place for him, but it's probably not the right place for any rookie qb. I can only imagine what it would look like right now if Bray was a Jet and Geno a second round pick here. NY media right now might be calling Bray the worst undrafted waste of a QB ever, and Geno could just as well have looked like a great 2nd round pick after feeding on Green Bay's 2nd and 3rd stringers for three quarters yesterday night. It's just circumstances and environment.

Hopefully Bray continues to look like he did. Hopefully he turns into the next Kurt Warner story and we see him here for 15 years of a hall of fame career, and he becomes the all-time face of the team. Because that would be awesome. As far as Geno goes, as big a fan as I was heading into April, the reality is that we didn't draft him, and I hate New York, so him doing well doesn't really phase me all that much.
1. i'm not saying Geno is going to fail ... too early for that

2. a significant number of people around here say it all starts and end with the QB. Coaching is made by the QB ... Brady makes Belichek etc. A great QB will make his WR's and Oline better etc,etc. The Chiefs coaching didn't hurt the QB ... it was the QB's fault, all of it. If a QB can't handle a bad situation or starting from day 1 then he wasn't a Franchise QB to begin with. Don't back off now people ...
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:08 PM   #154
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I figured the start Bray shit would come up after last night. Letting him sit a year or 2 is absolutely the best thing for him. Unless there are injuries let him bake.
I don't care if there are injuries ... start Daniels and get another veteran.

Bray sits

You could make a case that giving Tyler Bray every chance to develop is more important than winning this year.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:31 PM   #155
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Anyone know how much Bray makes this year if he makes the team, assuming he will?
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:35 PM   #156
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Anyone know how much Bray makes this year if he makes the team, assuming he will?
rookies who makes the 53-man roster will get a rookie salary of $405,000 in 2013
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1. i'm not saying Geno is going to fail ... too early for that

2. a significant number of people around here say it all starts and end with the QB. Coaching is made by the QB ... Brady makes Belichek etc. A great QB will make his WR's and Oline better etc,etc. The Chiefs coaching didn't hurt the QB ... it was the QB's fault, all of it. If a QB can't handle a bad situation or starting from day 1 then he wasn't a Franchise QB to begin with. Don't back off now people ...
Nobody said that.
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Anyone know how much Bray makes this year if he makes the team, assuming he will?
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Chiefs history?

Perhaps, but what about Andy Reid, and John Dorsey, what does their history say?

Their history says they always have a qb waiting in the wings.

Especially Reid.
I hope they prove me wrong.
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The mixed motion of extremes the past 24 hours on this board has been hilarious.

We have some guys saying Bray should start TODAY, RIGHT NOW, we have others willing to give him away for a 3rd round pick, some thinking he is close to a melt down, and others who are content to let him develop.

The irony of this whole thing?

People say the Chiefs don't develop qbs, yet, they are doing just that.

Btw. To coat tail the Tony Romo thing.

Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 seasons.......
No where do I or anyone iirc say "I want the chiefs to trade bray for a 3rd"

The question was would you, today's take a 3rd for bray.
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Old 08-30-2013, 09:01 PM   #161
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No where do I or anyone iirc say "I want the chiefs to trade bray for a 3rd"

The question was would you, today's take a 3rd for bray.
we have others willing to give him away for a 3rd round pick.

Just saying in a hypothetical situation that people would. You weren't the only one..........

All I was doing was making a post about the range of emotions......
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we have others willing to give him away for a 3rd round pick.

Just saying in a hypothetical situation that people would. You weren't the only one..........

All I was doing was making a post about the range of emotions......
And yes, I would. The chances of a 3rd rounder we would get with the pick making an impact are higher than bray, an udfa, making one at this point. After a whole season of work and in the system, I wouldn't do it.

But right now? Yeah, wouldn't think twice about it.
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And since when did trading an udfa for a 3rd round pick be considered giving him away?
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2. a significant number of people around here say it all starts and end with the QB. Coaching is made by the QB ... Brady makes Belichek etc. A great QB will make his WR's and Oline better etc,etc. The Chiefs coaching didn't hurt the QB ... it was the QB's fault, all of it. If a QB can't handle a bad situation or starting from day 1 then he wasn't a Franchise QB to begin with. Don't back off now people ...
I don't particularly care what other people say. I'm only responsible for the words I vomit. And I know I've never said that everything starts and ends with QB. I've also never said anything about someone not being a franchise QB without starting from day 1.

What I will say is the following:

I believe quarterback is the most important position in all of sports
I believe the easiest (but not easy...) way to acquire a franchise quarterback is to draft one
I believe you have a better chance of doing that in the first round than later in the draft
I believe it sometimes requires both risk and cost to acquire said franchise player
I believe that there are inherent limitations to any veteran quarterback you can acquire from other teams, because teams do not let franchise players go
I also believe that there is the occasional lightning in a bottle situation, like Drew Brees or Trent Green, and we have to hope that Alex Smith is the next great story (and that UDFA Tyler Bray is as well)

I also believe there's a real possibility that, in the long run, we'll be happier with Bray than with Smith. Because regardless of whatever absurdity made him drop all the way out of the draft, be it maturity or intelligence or whatever, he has the kind of *talent* that usually costs a team at least a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
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I also believe there's a real possibility that, in the long run, we'll be happier with Bray than with Smith. Because regardless of whatever absurdity made him drop all the way out of the draft, be it maturity or intelligence or whatever, he has the kind of *talent* that usually costs a team at least a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
I've liked Bray as a prospect much better than Smith from the get go. Bray has virtually an unlimited upside. It's up to him and the coaches to realize his potential.

The most amazing part about all of this is that he's only 21 years old. 21! The guy has shown flashes in preaseason so there's no reason to believe that he won't be at least a serviceable backup for a decade at minimum.

All he has to do is stay focused and grounded. If he can do that, the sky's the limit.
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