Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

This is getting pretty weak dude....

Im done with all that.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

You know because you were there.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

I was just kidding. You were at home paying 50 bucks to watch oiled up men fake fight.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I was just kidding. You were at home paying 50 bucks to watch oiled up men fake fight.

50 bucks? C'mon son you know I stream that shit!! The future is now.

[ViperVisor]

There is now game-tape on Kaepernick and teams have had time to stew on it.

His INT rate is gonna go up. *5 defenders dropped potential picks and Moss broke up 3 INTs as well*

The same thing was predicted and happened to Smith in 2012. The 1% rate is rarely repeated.

But overall Smith was certainly better in 2012. The people who were sure he was a pathetic game manager and his style of play would be stamped out were wrong.

Now this season, When you aren't taking over a team with a 2 Win lead in the division in November it is gonna be tougher.

Does he trust his arm too much and attempt ill-advised Cutler-like chucks?

Does he trust his legs too much and attempt Vick-line improve that puts the football and him at risk?

If the 1st happens the 2nd could follow closely compounding the problem.

Team still has the O-Line and Gore. They will be leaned on heavy just like 2011 and 12. So I don't expect the ball to be in the air a lot.
But if the running game slips due to injury or age, it will have to happen.

Only days away from less chat more splat so we can actually find out.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Tattoo Boy will fail

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

If all Alex can do is "Lay Ups" defenses would cheat up and cover the short game and take it away from him. They don't seem to be able to do that. Now if you're going to suggest that other QBs could do what Alex does as effectively as Alex does because they're better QBs...then my question to you is, if defenses can't stop Alex's "Lay ups" why isn't every qb trying to be an improved version of Alex, since it wins games?

Because other QB's are asked to do MORE than Smith is. They don't have the luxury of relying on their top defense and a kicker to win them games. There isn't a single QB that would have anything close to a winning record if they averaged a TD a game. Like I said, if the Chiefs D is not stellar, Alex will struggle. He'll have a nice completion percentage and cute little QB rating...but he won't win games.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Because other QB's are asked to do MORE than Smith is. They don't have the luxury of relying on their top defense and a kicker to win them games. There isn't a single QB that would have anything close to a winning record if they averaged a TD a game. Like I said, if the Chiefs D is not stellar, Alex will struggle. He'll have a nice completion percentage and cute little QB rating...but he won't win games.

That's really lame thinking, dude. You are essentially blaming and faulting Smith for (1) doing what is asked of him.. and (2) taking advantage of his team strengths all for the sake of getting team wins.

If Alex was forced to do more, we simply don't know how he will do.

There is nothing similar enough to elicit a reasonable estimation. We can be silly and go back to examples of our offense under Singletary or Nolan... but that would be an irrelevant joke of a source. Far too many variables and things have changed along the way... and we all know that those offenses were screwed, thanks to terrible offensive handling by the HCs.

We can try and look back to some struggles under Harbaugh.. but Harbaugh and Roman didn't build the 2011 offense up enough to have a plan B for the what-ifs of falling far behind. If you are a 49ers fan, you know it be true. We didn't have the team for it, either.

In 2012, we can look at a 2 games. The vikes game week 3, and the Giants game week 6. Against the Vikes, our offense closed the gap in the 3rd quarter to make the game 17-13. Then our D gave a TD right back to them. We pissed the game away eventually on an intercepted pass to Crabtree... shit happens. Do we even really know for sure Crabtree ran the right route? But if that's on Alex, okay... big deal... one game... shit happens. Against the Giants.. did you know Alex was playing with a busted finger on his throwing hand from the week before against Buffalo? Oh... right... excuses! Quarterbacks don't need fully functional digits on their throwing hand to play well!

Yes, Kaep had ridiculous speed for the backyard-ballin' game. Good for him. Not every QB has that going for them. Guys like Brady and Brees sure don't... but what they do have is a scheme so entrenched that they have a plan B to rely on. Our 49ers offense didn't. It didn't with Smith.. it didn't with Kaep... but Kaep has that rare athleticism to make something out of nothing. Good for him.. but also not fair to fault Smith for lacking.

[Red Gorilla]

I expect Wilson, Kaepernick, and RGIII to all struggle a little this year. Teams have had time to watch the tape and figure it out.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Red Gorilla

I expect Wilson, Kaepernick, and RGIII to all struggle a little this year. Teams have had time to watch the tape and figure it out.

Best in da league!!!/!! Hootie

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

There is now game-tape on Kaepernick and teams have had time to stew on it.

His INT rate is gonna go up. *5 defenders dropped potential picks and Moss broke up 3 INTs as well*

The same thing was predicted and happened to Smith in 2012. The 1% rate is rarely repeated.

But overall Smith was certainly better in 2012. The people who were sure he was a pathetic game manager and his style of play would be stamped out were wrong.

Now this season, When you aren't taking over a team with a 2 Win lead in the division in November it is gonna be tougher.

Does he trust his arm too much and attempt ill-advised Cutler-like chucks?

Does he trust his legs too much and attempt Vick-line improve that puts the football and him at risk?

If the 1st happens the 2nd could follow closely compounding the problem.

Team still has the O-Line and Gore. They will be leaned on heavy just like 2011 and 12. So I don't expect the ball to be in the air a lot.
But if the running game slips due to injury or age, it will have to happen.

Only days away from less chat more splat so we can actually find out.

The game film argument is kind of a silly one when you think about it.

Every player that's played for more than a year has game film on him. Yet guys perform consistently over the course of a season or career.

Why? Simple. They're watching film too. They're getting better too. The coaches are creating new ways to move the ball.

I don't think a coach as savvy as Harbaugh is going to let everybody rest on their laurels just because we had a good year last year.

And that's the process. That's the part that's going to be fun to watch. The chess match between these read option/pistol coaches and the rest of the league. But I don't think 10 games worth of film is going to lead to some monumental collapse.

The guy throws 60 mph . You can watch all the film you want, there's no way to prepare for his velocity.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Look 9er fan and his BF are celebrating a Kaep scramble.
Perfect QB for that fanbase.

I'll be surprised if Kaep-boy doesn't throw 12 or more INT's this season.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner

I'll be surprised if Kaep-boy doesn't throw 12 or more INT's this season.

Oh boy, 12 whole INTs. That's really awful when you're racking up gobs of TDs.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

gobs of fail

[Mav]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

First of all, let's clarify: It's not like Kaep is turnover prone. He made a high throw and it got picked. It didn't lead to points and it was already 14-3. Not the worst thing in the world.

People make excuses for ANY player they like. That's nothing new.

Quarterbacks get all the blame and all the credit. Also nothing new.

The Giants may have moved the ball effectively but the name of the game is points, not yards. I'll take holding a team to 10 points a half no matter how many yards they're gaining.

Did the WR core factor into the Ginats loss? Okay fine, I'll concede that.

But I will say that TWICE KW got behind the defense only to be overthrown in that game. As a QB you have to hit those chances when you get them. ESPECIALLY if you're WR core is struggling.

You're the Quarterback, you're the guy with the amazing QB rating and the off the charts Comp pct. Make a play. Throw a guy open.

Hit a guy further than 7 yards downfield when he does get open.

Again, it's not about just not screwing it up or making the game worse, it's about making plays.

Can we just say it is what it is?

Alex Smith, has never been a down the field passer.

So why is it a surprise that if it wasn't Vernon Davis that he missed them?

Now, factor in everything. The weather. Remember how wet and sloppy and windy it was?

Not excuses. Alex Smith does not have a true deep ball arm, everyone knows that. Factor in his limited work with Kyle Williams as a receiver, factor in the defense he was facing.

is it really that shocking that Alex Smith missed some deep passes?

I wasn't shocked.

I will never say that Alex Smith didn't leave plays on the field, he did. But to EVER be able to place blame on HIM for that game, that's not something I will do.

It was a team failure.

Things we know about Alex Smith prior to the start of this season.

Alex Smith doesn't like to take chances. he throws to open guys. That's why his completion percentage is what it is. That's why his rating is what it is.

Alex Smith has proven to be clutch the past two years. If we can at least agree on that, then I think we can move forward, leave his San Francisco past, in the past, and focus on his Chiefs future.

Kaep is better than Alex, but Alex isn't dog shit. He just wont go out of his comfortability.