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ShowtimeSBMVP · 05:22 PM

PLAYERS RELEASED

Player - Position

Steven Baker - T

Josh Bellamy - WR

Jalil Brown

TE Kevin Brock

Malcolm Bronson - S

Greg Castillo - S

Kennard Cox - CB

Marcus Dixon - DL

Tommie Draheim - OL

Darin Drakeford - LB

Shaun Draughn - RB

Frankie Hammond Jr. - WR

Demetrius Harris - TE

Tysyn Hartman - DB

Austin Lane - DE

Orie Lemon - LB

Semaj Moody - CB

Toben Opurum - FB

Matt Reynolds - T

Rico Richardson - WR

Rokevious Watkins - OL

Ridge Wilson - LB/DE

WAIVED INJURED

Player - Position

Ricky Henry - G

ILB Zac Diles

Tony Moeaki - TE

Additionally, the team has waived/released the following six players: TE Kevin Brock, CB Jalil Brown, LB Zac Diles, S Bradley McDougald, DT Jerrell Powe and WR Devon Wylie.

Titty Meat · 09-03-2013, 12:38 PM

Holy shit DJ just wrote a whole article

**RealSNR** · 09-03-2013, 12:57 PM

Wow. I must have had WAAAY too much to drink on my birthday.

**BossChief** · 09-03-2013, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Robinson didn't play when I was there - back issue, IIRC.

That's actually my biggest concern with him - lingering injuries. I worry, like SNR, that he'll be a guy that's constantly dinged and we'll hear excuses for him all year about bad hamstrings or a bad back keeping him from making the play. That said, when I was at camp I did notice that Robinson was an excellent teammate. He was constantly working with the guys out there.

Chiefs fans keep focusing on McCluster beating him up last year without looking at the entirety of his work. When you look at what he did over the entire year, he was actually a solid player, if an erratic one. After getting abused in week 1 and 5, he only surrendered one more TD in coverage all season. Moreover, with Grimes going down, Robinson was forced back out to
an island and frankly, I just don't think he has the skills for that anymore. He still did a credible job out there though.

And you're absolutely right - teams are going to attack him, but again, it's all relative. Teams are going to attack whoever we put in as the NCB. The only way Robinson is "costing us games" is if he's failing in ways other similarly situated players wouldn't have. So it gets back to my original question - who's better at NCB?

You can argue that the Chiefs should have been - had they not traded Arenas. But that's a gripe for Dorsey, not Robinson. Robinson didn't make the trade. You can gripe that Robinson's overpaid - but again, that's a Dorsey problem, not Robinson. Personally, I'd have preferred see DRC brought in, but we'd have a similar cast of characters saying that he sucks, blah blah blah. DRC is on a 1 yr deal for $5 million whereas realistically, Robinson is on a 1 yr deal for about $4.75 or a 2 yr deal for $8.1. Those are both a little high to me, but not catastrophic.

Ultimately the problem is where we're starting from. We had holes to fill everywhere and only a few draft picks and FA to do it with. With so many holes we couldn't go after high priced FAs and the cheaper ones aren't ideal. FAs, but their definition, are guys that other teams didn't feel were good enough to find a way to keep and when you need to bring in 5 of them, you
have to spread the money out pretty thin. Robinson, DRC, anybody else available as FAs in that price range were going to have warts. DRC's were that he wouldn't hit anyone and for a NCB, that's trouble - I want some physicality in my slot CB and it appears Dorsey does as well. So it's about choosing the warts that fit your team.

In the end, however, we have to live with the warts because this team was hot garbage. So while I wouldn't have chosen Robinson over other options, he's still a guy that's going to make this team better and frankly, he's a guy that was available.

In terms of pure talent and ability on the field, Robinson's no worse than an average NCB and I'd say he has a chance to be substantially better. The Broncos are better there than we are (Harris) and really, that's about it. Until Robinson's out there blowing coverages that the average NCB doesn't blow, I can't say he's 'costing us games'.

I can get on board with most of that.

I'm just a little pissed at the move because I feel Arenas > Robinson at this point in their careers and think it was wasted resources to get older and more expensive at the position.

I'd have much rather kept Arenas and take him off special teams and let him focus on his duties as the NB, but what's done is done.

Hopefully, Hussain can get the job done and stay healthy so Dunta doesn't have a chance to be a liability.

I think Hussain is gonna deserve a big payday after this year.

Bambi · 09-03-2013, 03:23 PM

McDougald back on the team. holla

saphojunkie · 09-03-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi

McDougald back on the team. holla

Mr. Laz · 09-03-2013, 04:00 PM

More KC Chiefs roster moves: Bradley McDougald is back, Sanders Commings to designated IR
By Joel Thorman on Sep 3 2013, 4:37p 21
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...ated-to-return

John Rieger-USA TODAY Sports
More roster moves for the Chiefs: S Sanders Commings to IR-designated to return, S Bradley McDougald signed and OG Rishawn Johnson added to the practice squad.

The roster moves continue for the Kansas City Chiefs. Despite the team being off today, the KC Chiefs made three roster moves.

#Chiefs place S Sanders Commings on IR w/ a designation for return & signs S Bradley McDougald to 53 & adds OG Rishawn Johnson to PS

— Reid Ferrin (@KCChiefs_Reid) September 3, 2013
Let's review these.

IR-designated to return: S Sanders Commings

The Chiefs chose not to use the IR-designated to return on Tony Moeaki. They did use it on Commings.

This designation means Commings, who was a fifth round pick by the Chiefs in April, can not practice until Week 6 and can not play until after Week 8. It frees up a roster spot in the mean time, which is the reason teams do it. It can only be used on one player so this is it.

Commings broke his collarbone on July 23. It was expected to be a 6-8 week injury. With him needing time to acclimate to the defense I can see why this move was made. I just wonder if it was the best move. Commings is set to be a reserve safety. I wonder what the reaction would be if something happened to a more important player they could've possibly used it on. Hopefully that's not the case.

Teams could first use the IR-designated to return option today.

Signed to active roster: S Bradley McDougald

He spent the offseason with the Chiefs. I expect the end of the roster to fluctuate throughout the season.

Signed to practice squad: G Rishawn Johnson

Another former Seahawks player. In case you missed it, the Chiefs claimed three Seahawks players over the weekend. Here's what the Chiefs bio on Johnson says:

Johnson (6-3, 313) originally entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent with the Seattle Seahawks in April of 2012. He served primarily on the Seahawks practice squad during his rookie season before being released by Seattle on Aug. 31, 2013. He played collegiately at California University of Pennsylvania and was a teammate of current Chiefs center Eric Kush. Johnson was voted a team captain for the Vulcans and was a first-team All-American in 2011 after playing the previous three seasons at Ole Miss. He prepped at Hammond High School in Hammond, La.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-03-2013, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Signed to practice squad: G Rishawn Johnson

The Chiefs have more Johnson's on the squad than a typical Vivid Video production.

**RealSNR** · 09-03-2013, 04:07 PM

An all California, PA offensive line! Woooo!

chiefzilla1501 · 09-03-2013, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

More KC Chiefs roster moves: Bradley McDougald is back, Sanders Commings to designated IR
By Joel Thorman on Sep 3 2013, 4:37p 21
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...ated-to-return

John Rieger-USA TODAY Sports
More roster moves for the Chiefs: S Sanders Commings to IR-designated to return, S Bradley McDougald signed and OG Rishawn Johnson added to the practice squad.

The roster moves continue for the Kansas City Chiefs. Despite the team being off today, the KC Chiefs made three roster moves.

#Chiefs place S Sanders Commings on IR w/ a designation for return & signs S Bradley McDougald to 53 & adds OG Rishawn Johnson to PS

— Reid Ferrin (@KCChiefs_Reid) September 3, 2013
Let's review these.

IR-designated to return: S Sanders Commings

The Chiefs chose not to use the IR-designated to return on Tony Moeaki. They did use it on Commings.

This designation means Commings, who was a fifth round pick by the Chiefs in April, can not practice until Week 6 and can not play until after Week 8. It frees up a roster spot in the mean time, which is the reason teams do it. It can only be used on one player so this is it.

Commings broke his collarbone on July 23. It was expected to be a 6-8 week injury. With him needing time to acclimate to the defense I can see why this move was made. I just wonder if it was the best move. Commings is set to be a reserve safety. I wonder what the reaction would be if something happened to a more important player they could've possibly used it on. Hopefully that's not the case.

Teams could first use the IR-designated to return option today.

Signed to active roster: S Bradley McDougald

He spent the offseason with the Chiefs. I expect the end of the roster to fluctuate throughout the season.

Signed to practice squad: G Rishawn Johnson

Another former Seahawks player. In case you missed it, the Chiefs claimed three Seahawks players over the weekend. Here's what the Chiefs bio on Johnson says:

Johnson (6-3, 313) originally entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent with the Seattle Seahawks in April of 2012. He served primarily on the Seahawks practice squad during his rookie season before being released by Seattle on Aug. 31, 2013. He played collegiately at California University of Pennsylvania and was a teammate of current Chiefs center Eric Kush. Johnson was voted a team captain for the Vulcans and was a first-team All-American in 2011 after playing the previous three seasons at Ole Miss. He prepped at Hammond High School in Hammond, La.

I like McDougald a lot. Good to see he made the roster. Not overly crazy about keeping 5 safeties, but it is what it is.

Not crazy at all about picking up Johnson. Again, I think it's fair to ask if we're just repeating past mistakes by relying on tree guys for players. How many Seahawks have we brought in now in these final stages?

**SAUTO** · 09-03-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Gorilla

I disagree and think he was a good signing. I bet he's the fastest CB on our roster. He is still really fast. He is fantastic against the run. He is a bump and run CB and we are clearly moving in that direction. That's why we signed Cooper and let Brown go. Switching to bump and run coverage might end up being the biggest change in our defense.

Dunta was signed to counter Denver signing Welker. When we play Denver, I bet you see Dunta lined up outside and Flowers in the slot over Welker. We then have our best match up with Welker and two big CBs to cover their taller outside guys. Robinson and Smith will make or break us against Denver.

I am not crowning the guy by any means but, he is a very good player and a good signing imo. He's no Stanford Routt.

Black bob?
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Sassy Squatch · 09-03-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I like McDougald a lot. Good to see he made the roster. Not overly crazy about keeping 5 safeties, but it is what it is.

Not crazy at all about picking up Johnson. Again, I think it's fair to ask if we're just repeating past mistakes by relying on tree guys for players. How many Seahawks have we brought in now in these final stages?

You're actually worked up about a practice squad player?

**SAUTO** · 09-03-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

I know that typically in both Ryan's defenses, it doesn't change.

However, it's impossible to say, especially with them giving Flowers work in the slot during OTAs (and possibly TC, I just have no idea and we probably should have had someone who was there pay attention for it). I haven't noticed Smith playing anything but RCB but again, I haven't examined any of it too thoroughly.

I'm pretty sure there was an article stating our cbs are going to match up rather than play a specific side
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Red Gorilla · 09-03-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I'm pretty sure there was an article stating our cbs are going to match up rather than play a specific side
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I feel like I read that to. He was definitely getting some reps at RCB. I'm curious to see what they do with Flowers. For years I have wanted him to line up against #1 and shadow him and no coach ever does it.

saphojunkie · 09-03-2013, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I like McDougald a lot. Good to see he made the roster. Not overly crazy about keeping 5 safeties, but it is what it is.

Not crazy at all about picking up Johnson. Again, I think it's fair to ask if we're just repeating past mistakes by relying on tree guys for players. How many Seahawks have we brought in now in these final stages?

All offseason, everyone was saying that the backups in san francisco and seattle could be starters elsewhere.

I would be more worried if we were taking castoffs from bad teams with no depth, not the two teams at the top of the power rankings.

Direckshun · 09-03-2013, 04:44 PM

We have nine players on our practice squad.

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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	More KC Chiefs roster moves: Bradley McDougald is back, Sanders Commings to designated IR By Joel Thorman on Sep 3 2013, 4:37p 21 http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...ated-to-return John Rieger-USA TODAY Sports More roster moves for the Chiefs: S Sanders Commings to IR-designated to return, S Bradley McDougald signed and OG Rishawn Johnson added to the practice squad. The roster moves continue for the Kansas City Chiefs. Despite the team being off today, the KC Chiefs made three roster moves. #Chiefs place S Sanders Commings on IR w/ a designation for return & signs S Bradley McDougald to 53 & adds OG Rishawn Johnson to PS — Reid Ferrin (@KCChiefs_Reid) September 3, 2013 Let's review these. IR-designated to return: S Sanders Commings The Chiefs chose not to use the IR-designated to return on Tony Moeaki. They did use it on Commings. This designation means Commings, who was a fifth round pick by the Chiefs in April, can not practice until Week 6 and can not play until after Week 8. It frees up a roster spot in the mean time, which is the reason teams do it. It can only be used on one player so this is it. Commings broke his collarbone on July 23. It was expected to be a 6-8 week injury. With him needing time to acclimate to the defense I can see why this move was made. I just wonder if it was the best move. Commings is set to be a reserve safety. I wonder what the reaction would be if something happened to a more important player they could've possibly used it on. Hopefully that's not the case. Teams could first use the IR-designated to return option today. Signed to active roster: S Bradley McDougald He spent the offseason with the Chiefs. I expect the end of the roster to fluctuate throughout the season. Signed to practice squad: G Rishawn Johnson Another former Seahawks player. In case you missed it, the Chiefs claimed three Seahawks players over the weekend. Here's what the Chiefs bio on Johnson says: Johnson (6-3, 313) originally entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent with the Seattle Seahawks in April of 2012. He served primarily on the Seahawks practice squad during his rookie season before being released by Seattle on Aug. 31, 2013. He played collegiately at California University of Pennsylvania and was a teammate of current Chiefs center Eric Kush. Johnson was voted a team captain for the Vulcans and was a first-team All-American in 2011 after playing the previous three seasons at Ole Miss. He prepped at Hammond High School in Hammond, La. __________________
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