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Old 04-28-2013, 03:03 PM  
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Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on.
It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:48 PM   #2251
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It would be justice if we shit canned that ****ing fat NE fraud and then Patriot Wayed ourselves (read: fell ass backwards) into a franchise QB.

**** you, Scott Pioli. I know you read this board you ****ing cocksucking piece of ****.
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:49 PM   #2252
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Only one UDFA has won a Super Bowl ever and that was Kurt Warner.
But plenty of guys past the current 7 round draft have won it
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:50 PM   #2253
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Only one UDFA has won a Super Bowl ever and that was Kurt Warner.
Unitas was round 9 (although pick 102 overall) so that is theoretically UDFA with how many rounds are in the modern draft.

The odds are heavily stacked against Bray.
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:58 PM   #2254
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We have an entire season of college football left to play, but is anybody REALLY all that excited about the 2014 draft class of QBs?

We're looking at a ton of QB-needy teams who figure to be terrible. And this year I'm sure they'll spend high-end draft stock on a QB, depending on how well these "last chances" go for so many of these guys. Oakland basically punted away their QB problems into 2014. Jacksonville, Tennessee, Cleveland, and Minnesota all need to consider moving on if their guys don't take a noticeable step towards improved play. I might just put St. Louis in this category, too, but only if Bradford puts out a clunker season. And then you have teams like Arizona and Kansas City with adequate stop gaps, but a need to invest in the future at the position.

Something tells me we're going to see the QBs come off the board even if the class is unspectacular. The perception will conveniently be that now is the right time to draft a QB for a handful of those teams that I mentioned above, and it will probably be mistaken as, "Boy, the 2014 class SUUUURE is a hell of a lot better than last year's!"

I suppose the 2014 class could actually be legitimately good, but we'll need to wait and see.
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:04 AM   #2255
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Unitas was round 9 (although pick 102 overall) so that is theoretically UDFA with how many rounds are in the modern draft.

The odds are heavily stacked against Bray.
The odds are heavily stacked towards any QB in any round.
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:08 AM   #2256
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We have an entire season of college football left to play, but is anybody REALLY all that excited about the 2014 draft class of QBs?

We're looking at a ton of QB-needy teams who figure to be terrible. And this year I'm sure they'll spend high-end draft stock on a QB, depending on how well these "last chances" go for so many of these guys. Oakland basically punted away their QB problems into 2014. Jacksonville, Tennessee, Cleveland, and Minnesota all need to consider moving on if their guys don't take a noticeable step towards improved play. I might just put St. Louis in this category, too, but only if Bradford puts out a clunker season. And then you have teams like Arizona and Kansas City with adequate stop gaps, but a need to invest in the future at the position.

Something tells me we're going to see the QBs come off the board even if the class is unspectacular. The perception will conveniently be that now is the right time to draft a QB for a handful of those teams that I mentioned above, and it will probably be mistaken as, "Boy, the 2014 class SUUUURE is a hell of a lot better than last year's!"

I suppose the 2014 class could actually be legitimately good, but we'll need to wait and see.
Bridgewater is a stud. McCarron is solid. David Fales is a nice west coast prospect. Tajh Boyd will get over drafted. Mettenberger is a Flacco type.
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:11 AM   #2257
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The odds are heavily stacked towards any QB in any round.
True, but considering only one QB (Warner) has ever done it, weights it considerably more against UDFA's than QB's that are drafted.
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True, but considering only one QB (Warner) has ever done it, weights it considerably more against UDFA's than QB's that are drafted.
Johnny U.

Staubach.

Johnson.

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Look them up.
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:19 AM   #2259
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Johnny U.

Staubach.

Johnson.

Starr.

Look them up.
I see your point. But there is also a trend with the players you listed. All played their football 40+ years ago, except Johnson (although he pales in comparison to the other guys in this list) who did play during my time unlike the other guys. Warner is the only guy to do it in modern football and I still say the odds that a Superbowl winning QB is going to be a drafted QB, and a highly drafted QB at that, is much greater than an UDFA guy doing it.

The only other guy I can think of in modern football that came close to winning a title as an UDFA is Jeff Garcia.
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Perhaps in the 2nd.

Realistically, 3rd round QBs are never given much of a chance.



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I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but would you care to explain what happened?

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I imagine the previous seasons of terrible head coach hires, bad QB contracts for bad starting QBs, and possibly some of the worst drafting and personnel development in the league influenced no part of the owner's decision to fire Nix, right? It was all EJ Manuel. The Wilsons, presiders over a franchise that has won a lot of games throughout history decided that EJ Manuel was an unforgivable sin, and cause for instant firing.
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Johnson.

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Look them up.
The NFL is so vastly different from when those guys were playing, I'm not sure that's very relevant.
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I imagine the previous seasons of terrible head coach hires, bad QB contracts for bad starting QBs, and possibly some of the worst drafting and personnel development in the league influenced no part of the owner's decision to fire Nix, right? It was all EJ Manuel. The Wilsons, presiders over a franchise that has won a lot of games throughout history decided that EJ Manuel was an unforgivable sin, and cause for instant firing.
Pretty much. And that first link that Dane posted suggests that there were rumblings about a change for some time.
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Bridgewater is a stud. McCarron is solid. David Fales is a nice west coast prospect. Tajh Boyd will get over drafted. Mettenberger is a Flacco type.
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