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Old 04-28-2013, 03:03 PM  
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Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on.
It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:10 AM   #2596
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:19 AM   #2597
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Your quarterback might be a game manager if... the phrase "it's about Ws and Ls, not stats" is consistently used to defend him.

I keep seeing people say that. I find it kind of amusing.

Focus on Alex Smith's ability to win games throwing for big passing yards is not about fantasy football (for me). It's not about wanting to see a Chiefs QB throw for 4000 yards or anything or even throw 35 TD passes (for me).

It's about what has to surround a QB who doesn't throw for big passing yards to 1) make the playoffs; 2) win playoff games; 3) win it all. The supporting cast must be great. You have to have no flaws outside the QB spot, and some serious strengths. Your odds are much worse than with a QB who can put up huge passing numbers when needed.

I HOPE Smith ends up showing that ability. It would be good for my team. His history just means I'll need to see it to believe it.

If he doesn't show that ability, hopefully he's just a stop-gap and they move on after next year.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:22 AM   #2598
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Your quarterback might be a game manager if... the phrase "it's about Ws and Ls, not stats" is consistently used to defend him.

I keep seeing people say that. I find it kind of amusing.

Focus on Alex Smith's ability to win games throwing for big passing yards is not about fantasy football (for me). It's not about wanting to see a Chiefs QB throw for 4000 yards or anything or even throw 35 TD passes (for me).

It's about what has to surround a QB who doesn't throw for big passing yards to 1) make the playoffs; 2) win playoff games; 3) win it all. The supporting cast must be great. You have to have no flaws outside the QB spot, and some serious strengths. Your odds are much worse than with a QB who can put up huge passing numbers when needed.

I HOPE Smith ends up showing that ability. It would be good for my team. His history just means I'll need to see it to believe it.

If he doesn't show that ability, hopefully he's just a stop-gap and they move on after next year.
Spot on.

And when the Chiefs lose 28-17 it will be because the defense couldn't stop anyone, or someone fumbled, or there was a ST return for a TD. Those things happen in games, but at some point you need your QB to be able to overcome mistakes that may or may not be his own fault. At some points you are going are going to need a Matt Schaub type game from last night. You are going to need over 300 yards, you are going to need 3 TD passes.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:27 AM   #2599
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Your quarterback might be a game manager if... the phrase "it's about Ws and Ls, not stats" is consistently used to defend him.

I keep seeing people say that. I find it kind of amusing.

Focus on Alex Smith's ability to win games throwing for big passing yards is not about fantasy football (for me). It's not about wanting to see a Chiefs QB throw for 4000 yards or anything or even throw 35 TD passes (for me).

It's about what has to surround a QB who doesn't throw for big passing yards to 1) make the playoffs; 2) win playoff games; 3) win it all. The supporting cast must be great. You have to have no flaws outside the QB spot, and some serious strengths. Your odds are much worse than with a QB who can put up huge passing numbers when needed.

I HOPE Smith ends up showing that ability. It would be good for my team. His history just means I'll need to see it to believe it.

If he doesn't show that ability, hopefully he's just a stop-gap and they move on after next year.
I agree.


However, I do take solace in that he's a). Never been in an offense like this
B). Never been coached by an offensive minded guy like Andy Reid

But again, until he does it, I assume he can't do it.

It was a breath if fresh air that after his performance Sunday our head coach pretty much came out and said it wasn't good enough.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:28 AM   #2600
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I HOPE Smith ends up showing that ability. It would be good for my team. His history just means I'll need to see it to believe it.
That appears to be fair enough.

I am sure you don't wish to read it or believe it... but I'll say it anyway. It really comes down to the competence of the OL sustaining blocks, picking up blitzes, and receivers downfield.

If early on, the receivers are getting open and catching the deeper ones, you will likely see more of them coming. Same for the OL holding their blocks, picking up blitzes, etc.

If they can't do well enough to earn the deep passes, then just like usual... Smith will go back to what does work. First pass of the game was a nice, deeper pass to Fasano... and he short/armed +/or kept his feet on the ground, when a very slight hop/jump would have been plenty sufficient to make the catch. He does that? and he will likely see no more attempts like that.

Now, there IS a small chance that I am wrong here... and that Smith just really hates throwing deep. But all through his career, he really hasn't had the OL pass pro or the quality deep receivers to make deep passing a real priority. His best target was VD on seams and wheel routes, and he connected very well on those.
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Spot on.

And when the Chiefs lose 28-17 it will be because the defense couldn't stop anyone, or someone fumbled, or there was a ST return for a TD. Those things happen in games, but at some point you need your QB to be able to overcome mistakes that may or may not be his own fault.
alllllllll by himself....

have fun regurgitating the same shit today...
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:34 AM   #2602
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alllllllll by himself....

have fun regurgitating the same shit today...
So you admit that he isn't likely to be able to do what Schaub did? At least we agree on that. Sounds like you already have those excuses ready.
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I would put him in the same class as Schaub. They go about things differently, but the end result is the same.

I don't think either is a guy who can by himself carry a team to a sb win, but I don't think there are many of those guys playing qb in the league right now.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:42 AM   #2604
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So you admit that he isn't likely to be able to do what Schaub did? At least we agree on that. Sounds like you already have those excuses ready.
SCHAUB didn't do it.. the offense did.

sounds like you wake up negative. run with it.
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I would put him in the same class as Schaub. They go about things differently, but the end result is the same.

I don't think either is a guy who can by himself carry a team to a sb win, but I don't think there are many of those guys playing qb in the league right now.
This is comparison is getting even more stupid by the minute.


Matt Schaub's best year 4770 yards, 29 TD's/15INT's, 68% completions, 98.6 QB rating

Alex Smith 3144 Yards, 17Td's/5 INT's, 61% completions, 90.7 QB rating.


If someone doesn't see a difference here I'm sorry. That's a stupid that can't be fixed.
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SCHAUB didn't do it.. the offense did.

sounds like you wake up negative. run with it.
I wake up realistic. You obviously wake up in your red and gold spandex.

Stick with that company line you got there. QB's are so reliant on everyone else and so irrelevant that good ones only make 20-25 million a year. Obviously the league feels they aren't that important.
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This is comparison is getting even more stupid by the minute.


Matt Schaub's best year 4770 yards, 29 TD's/15INT's, 68% completions, 98.6 QB rating

Alex Smith 3144 Yards, 17Td's/5 INT's, 61% completions, 90.7 QB rating.


If someone doesn't see a difference here I'm sorry. That's a stupid that can't be fixed.
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So you admit that he isn't likely to be able to do what Schaub did? At least we agree on that. Sounds like you already have those excuses ready.
He brought the 49ers from behind in the NFCC. A fumble ruined that for them, but you can't (even though you have tried) pin that on Smith. He has proven he can take a team from behind in big games.
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