Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by l4z4rd

Under Harbaugh, Smith was 3-0 vs. the Seahawks. 0-2 with 2 blowout losses with Kaepernick.

HARBAUGH HUBRIS! THANKS AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING

[Mav]

Did anyone else see that it was the Eagles who pulled out of a possible trade for Colin Kaepernick during the 2012 draft?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Did anyone else see that it was the Eagles who pulled out of a possible trade for Colin Kaepernick during the 2012 draft?

I have heard this mentioned, but can't say I read any link for it. (or tried to look into it)

[Bearcat]

FFS, was 'you' instead of 'they' really that confusing, to miss the entire freakin' point?

Originally Posted by Earthling

That would be one way to bear Rodgers but certainly not the only way. One could also make long, sustained, TD drives that eat the clock and keep Rodgers off the field as much as possible.

I meant last week, when the 49ers were rushing for 2.5ypc and the Packers were scoring with 8 play/2:00 minute drives. SF actually had a couple of long drives, but it doesn't really matter when the Packers match it in 2 minutes.




The whole point was that Halfcan wanted to compare Smith's 0 turnovers to Kaepernick's 4 or whatever, ignoring all kinds of stuff like who the 49ers and Chiefs have played and how aggressive Kaepernick's had to be against the teams they've played vs how aggressive Smith's had to be.

Of course Kaepernick has made more mistakes... if he doesn't throw for 400+ yards vs the 49ers, they lose. Smith hasn't had to do that, obviously.

Meh, I'm done with it... a decade ago, it was all "at least we're winning!" when people tried pointing out the terrible, terrible defense, and none of it mattered come playoff time. In 2006, people ignored Herm's offense, and in 2010, people ignored the QB situation and the fact the Chiefs hadn't played anyone. If fans are excited to beat shitty teams and win 8-9 wins, good for them... it's been that way for 4 decades, so why expect more from the team you spend so much money and time and emotion on. We shouldn't talk about the big picture, because they're 2-0... we should all be celebrating or something.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I have heard this mentioned, but can't say I read any link for it. (or tried to look into it)

Shefter reported it on countdown yesterday morning.
Found a blog on it. Thsi is almost worthy of its own thread. Its so far off of what people here have been saying this whole off-season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...had-kaepernick

Imagine if San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick were quarterbacking the Philadelphia Eagles and not the San Francisco 49ers. It nearly happened.



In the weeks leading up to the 2012 draft, the Eagles came close to trading a second-round draft pick to the 49ers for Kaepernick, league sources tell ESPN. The 49ers were open to trading him because Alex Smith just had led them to the NFC Championship Game and they weren't sure what to do with their now-starting quarterback.

One league source maintains that the Eagles backed out of the proposed deal when they decided they would be able to draft Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson, whom they geared their whole draft around, league sources said. But then, just before Philadelphia could draft Wilson, the Seattle Seahawks selected him, leaving the Eagles to take Nick Foles, another quarterback they rated highly, though not nearly as high as Wilson.

So as it turned out, neither Kaepernick nor Wilson wound up in Philadelphia, though each came close in his own way.

And now the two quarterbacks that could have been Eagles square off Sunday night in a game that will help decide the NFC West winner -- all while Chip Kelly, Michael Vick and the much talked-about Eagles prepare to host the Chargers.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

If fans are excited to beat shitty teams and win 8-9 wins, good for them... it's been that way for 4 decades, so why expect more from the team you spend so much money and time and emotion on. We shouldn't talk about the big picture, because they're 2-0... we should all be celebrating or something.

You are really trying way too hard to minimize your own QB.... why? so determined to not believe? so determined to distance yourself from potential disappointment that you will cut off your own season enjoyment?

2-0 with lots of new parts... and you say you shouldn't be celebrating? WTF? The offense has had struggles that they shouldn't be having as a new team?

Man... that is some serious hurt from past KC experiences that has made you this cynical and broken. I really hope you can shake it off and stop being so negative... and if you can not? Do you really need to drag everyone else down with you?

[tooge]

Defense wins games. Offense determines by how much. See Seattle.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by loochy

Yesterday, while watching the game, I was getting a bit frustrated with the offense as a whole during the 3rd quarter.

Then it just hit me how much better Smith is than Cassel. I mean he's just light years ahead, despite his shortcomings. Sure, he's no Peyton, but we're stuck with him and he's not all that bad.

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Kaepernick threw for over 400 yards vs the Packers because that's what you have to do when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, and he probably would have needed another 300 last night. Comparing games vs potential NFC championship game participants, against what any QB has to do to beat Jacksonville or Dallas, is kind of ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Well, I meant he needed to last week, obviously... of course not every victory over Aaron Rodgers has included an opposing QB passing for 400+ yards. You have to be aggressive, throw down field, and take chances when the other team doing the same thing with success, especially when you're running for 2.6 ypc as they did last week. Do you think Alex Smith would have out-gunned Rodgers last week?

The 49ers offense would of gained more than 2.6 ypc with Alex Smith at qb......

Granted, the Chiefs running game hasn't taken off yet, but that oline for the 49ers is ahead of where the Chiefs is. Alex Smith wouldn't of needed 400 yards passing. And the Packers would of spent a lot more time on the sideline.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Shefter reported it on countdown yesterday morning.
Found a blog on it. Thsi is almost worthy of its own thread. Its so far off of what people here have been saying this whole off-season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...had-kaepernick

Imagine if San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick were quarterbacking the Philadelphia Eagles and not the San Francisco 49ers. It nearly happened.



In the weeks leading up to the 2012 draft, the Eagles came close to trading a second-round draft pick to the 49ers for Kaepernick, league sources tell ESPN. The 49ers were open to trading him because Alex Smith just had led them to the NFC Championship Game and they weren't sure what to do with their now-starting quarterback.

One league source maintains that the Eagles backed out of the proposed deal when they decided they would be able to draft Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson, whom they geared their whole draft around, league sources said. But then, just before Philadelphia could draft Wilson, the Seattle Seahawks selected him, leaving the Eagles to take Nick Foles, another quarterback they rated highly, though not nearly as high as Wilson.

So as it turned out, neither Kaepernick nor Wilson wound up in Philadelphia, though each came close in his own way.

And now the two quarterbacks that could have been Eagles square off Sunday night in a game that will help decide the NFC West winner -- all while Chip Kelly, Michael Vick and the much talked-about Eagles prepare to host the Chargers.

wow... that's amazing, if true... thanks for the info. Not even sure what to think of it and all its implications just yet.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Your sig is really offensive, bro. Come on now...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Meh, I'm done with it... a decade ago, it was all "at least we're winning!" when people tried pointing out the terrible, terrible defense, and none of it mattered come playoff time. In 2006, people ignored Herm's offense, and in 2010, people ignored the QB situation and the fact the Chiefs hadn't played anyone. If fans are excited to beat shitty teams and win 8-9 wins, good for them... it's been that way for 4 decades, so why expect more from the team you spend so much money and time and emotion on. We shouldn't talk about the big picture, because they're 2-0... we should all be celebrating or something.

This sums it up pretty well for me.

The team has flaws. Some of them are based on Alex Smith, who has shown some significant, limiting flaws in his play in the past, and who so far in a Chiefs uniform has done jack and shit to dispel them.

I still would like to see Smith reverse course and prove he CAN rise above those flaws, as Andy Reid clearly thought he could when he brought Smith in to "win now" (a statement that doesn't represent 'win 7-10 now,' I'm sure).

I'm just not going to blindly hope for it.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

You are really trying way too hard to minimize your own QB.... why? so determined to not believe? so determined to distance yourself from potential disappointment that you will cut off your own season enjoyment?

2-0 with lots of new parts... and you say you shouldn't be celebrating? WTF? The offense has had struggles that they shouldn't be having as a new team?

Man... that is some serious hurt from past KC experiences that has made you this cynical and broken. I really hope you can shake it off and stop being so negative... and if you can not? Do you really need to drag everyone else down with you?

Heh, I'm indeed jaded, but I'm really not bogged down with negativity... Smith is who I thought he was. There's no hate, no anti-Smith, but there is anti-retread-mediocre-QB, and that's from 20+ years of watching the Chiefs (well, minus Joe Montana).

I know saying the same stuff over and over makes it seem like I'm desperate to discount anything and everything he does, but I'm really not... I'm just discounting the vibe that after 2 games we can definitely say this is a big upgrade from the last regime (of course, it's a huge upgrade from last year, but that's really not saying much).

Speaking to a new offense, new coaches, etc; is kind of my point... everything I'm saying has 20 years of watching retreads and 8 years of Alex Smith stats backing it up. I'm not saying Smith is just another retread because of the past two games, I'm saying my opinion that was already there hasn't changed after two games... and why should it? He has a new coach, new offense, etc; and they've beaten freakin' Jacksonville and Dallas. Yet, others think it's this huge upgrade.

I'm not the one being swayed by two games... if he proves otherwise (and again, he hasn't really had that chance yet), great; but being sold on him after two games is ludicrous (and yes, not being sold on him solely based on two games is just as ludicrous).

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Your sig is really offensive, bro. Come on now...

Okay. Well first you have to understand something. I learned something last night I didn't know about Pete Carroll. Him and I have the same birthday. Sept 15th.

Second, I called that as a gif as soon as it was on tv. Yeah, its a seahawk and I get that, but dude, its ****ing hilarious.....

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Heh, I'm indeed jaded, but I'm really not bogged down with negativity... Smith is who I thought he was. There's no hate, no anti-Smith, but there is anti-retread-mediocre-QB, and that's from 20+ years of watching the Chiefs (well, minus Joe Montana).

I know saying the same stuff over and over makes it seem like I'm desperate to discount anything and everything he does, but I'm really not... I'm just discounting the vibe that after 2 games we can definitely say this is a big upgrade from the last regime (of course, it's a huge upgrade from last year, but that's really not saying much).

Speaking to a new offense, new coaches, etc; is kind of my point... everything I'm saying has 20 years of watching retreads and 8 years of Alex Smith stats backing it up. I'm not saying Smith is just another retread because of the past two games, I'm saying my opinion that was already there hasn't changed after two games... and why should it? He has a new coach, new offense, etc; and they've beaten freakin' Jacksonville and Dallas. Yet, others think it's this huge upgrade.

I'm not the one being swayed by two games... if he proves otherwise (and again, he hasn't really had that chance yet), great; but being sold on him after two games is ludicrous (and yes, not being sold on him solely based on two games is just as ludicrous).

In fairness. Guys like Mac and I haven't been swayed by two games.

We have been telling you guys that this was going to happen since the moment the Chiefs traded for Alex Smith.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Second, I called that as a gif as soon as it was on tv. Yeah, its a seahawk and I get that, but dude, its ****ing hilarious.....

I find NOTHING hilarious about Pete Carroll laughing at the expense of the 49ers.

We all know it's just a part of your "I was right about Alex Smith" campaign that's basically become your life's work.


It's all good Snoop. We already know what you're MO is.