Chiefs @people that think Sanchez would be a better fit - Page 10

jaa1025 · 09-27-2009, 11:31 PM

Are you freaking stupid? Serious question. Sanchez would be 0-3 and probably look worse behind this oline.Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning would be 0-3. There is NO time to throw. Every time Cassell dropped back he 3-4 defenders in his face.

When Vermiel was here we had a great oline...one of the best in the league. 2 HoFers helped pave the way for Priest, LJ and company. They gave time to an above average QB (Trent Green) and below average receivers to field the best offense in the league. You all freaking witnessed it...so how did you become so dumb and forget that the Oline makes the offense, just like the Dline (pass rush) makes the defense?

Fix the Oline-Matt has time to actually look further than 3-5 yards down the field. Becomes a star player (Trent was as a average-above average QB) and the RB's rush for 1700+ yards.

Fix the Dline(time and coaching)/OLBs(new players)--Our defense actually looks like Philly's Defense. I'd probably take our dbacks over theres and many other teams starters but they look like crap because NO ONE CAN COVER for 5-8 seconds play after play...not even Deon Sanders in his prime.

So stop with the Sanchez posts. Stop with the Tebow posts (which really makes you look incredibly stupid) and realize that our offense will continue to suck until the Oline is FIXED. It's going to be a VERY long season.

listopencil · 09-28-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's all well and good. But you can't polish a turd. It's not like it's Cassel's fault that his o-line keeps blowing their assignments, or that the Chiefs can't move the ball an inch on the ground.

I've seen Cassel do a lot of things that Green does not. If you watch him at the line of scrimmage, he's a lot more active in calling out assignments and audibles. And whereas Green was a pure zone QB that relied on pass protection to give receivers time to hit their spots, Cassel's been a lot less shy and a lot more capable about gunning the ball into tight spots.

I think Cassel has the upside to be much better than Green. But that's not going to happen when you have the worst offensive line in football. No QB can succeed under those conditions. Even Big Ben doesn't have to deal with an o-line this bad.

That O-Line of yours went downhill incredibly quickly. You guys had a lot of FO changeover though during the time when it should have been addressed. I've seen comments that it was Vermeil that screwed the Chiefs over with a Win Now mentality the new FO is still trying to pick up the pieces.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

Dude I know your a huge USC fan and that's cool with me. We didn't take Sanchez it's over so start writing the Chiefs front office to inform them which O-lineman they have available in next years draft. BTW how's Sam Baker doing anyway?

BryanBusby · 09-28-2009, 01:24 AM

The thing to remember about Sanchez with the Jets is he's playing behind an O-Line that the Jets have invested a lot of money/1st round picks into, a strong running game and at least one receiver with the ability to get open (cotchery). This isn't a knock on Sanchez, as I was high on him before the draft. He's doing good so far, but the season is still very young.

The Chiefs O-Line would struggle to block against Terri Shiavo and Helen Keller as pass-rushers, a #1 RB just going through the motions to collect a check and a WR corp that contains 1 WR that would have a shot at being a starter on another team.

Any QB would be destroyed and look like complete ass in this offense. If the Chiefs can actually build talent on the offense and Cassel looks like shit, start the Sanchez/Cassel debate.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's a lot of shit that pisses me off.

Ignoring the offensive line.
Playing musical ****ing chairs with receivers, when Cassel needs every last rep to build timing with his receivers
Not hiring a ****ing quarterbacks coach to tutor Cassel

You would think that when the Chiefs made all the effort to get Cassel, they'd try just a little harder to give him opportunity to get comfortable in this offense. People loved the idea of demoting Bowe or benching Bradley against Oakland. **** that. The idea pissed me off then, and it pisses me off today too.

There's one thing all good offenses have...timing and that comes with experience playing together. So I can't personally understand how anyone thinks constantly rotating the offense is a good idea.

I said this right after the draft, the Chiefs have set Matt Cassel up to fail this offseason has been completely unfair to him even having a chance to succeed.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

That O-Line of yours went downhill incredibly quickly. You guys had a lot of FO changeover though during the time when it should have been addressed. I've seen comments that it was Vermeil that screwed the Chiefs over with a Win Now mentality the new FO is still trying to pick up the pieces.

During the Vermeil years, once the o-line was set, Tait was the last successfully drafted o-lineman until Branden Albert was drafted.

Worse, we knew this offseason that our o-line sucked. Our front office apparently didn't realize this.

Carl Peterson ****ed the o-line up. But that doesn't give Pioli the excuse to not do anything about it.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There's one thing all good offenses have...timing and that comes with experience playing together. So I can't personally understand how anyone thinks constantly rotating the offense is a good idea.

I said this right after the draft, the Chiefs have set Matt Cassel up to fail this offseason has been completely unfair to him even having a chance to succeed.

I really pity Cassel. I really do.

He deserves a chance to prove himself. And the Chiefs are making that as difficult on him as they possibly could.

I know you wanted Sanchez. But I'm seeing that you agree that Cassel is crippled right now big time by poor decisions made by the Chiefs' front office?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-28-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The thing to remember about Sanchez with the Jets is he's playing behind an O-Line that the Jets have invested a lot of money/1st round picks into, a strong running game and at least one receiver with the ability to get open (cotchery). This isn't a knock on Sanchez, as I was high on him before the draft. He's doing good so far, but the season is still very young.

The Chiefs O-Line would struggle to block against Terri Shiavo and Helen Keller as pass-rushers, a #1 RB just going through the motions to collect a check and a WR corp that contains 1 WR that would have a shot at being a starter on another team.

Any QB would be destroyed and look like complete ass in this offense. If the Chiefs can actually build talent on the offense and Cassel looks like shit, start the Sanchez/Cassel debate.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:29 AM

If I was ever going to say I thought Pioli and Haley were arrogant here would be why I get that feeling..

Who trades for their franchise QB then gets him nothing to work with? Did these guys really think they'd take these scrub as players and make them pro bowlers?

Who puts in an entirely different offensive playbook 2 weeks before the season? You decide that stuff when you TAKE THE JOB.

listopencil · 09-28-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

During the Vermeil years, once the o-line was set, Tait was the last successfully drafted o-lineman until Branden Albert was drafted.

Worse, we knew this offseason that our o-line sucked. Our front office apparently didn't realize this.

Carl Peterson ****ed the o-line up. But that doesn't give Pioli the excuse to not do anything about it.

I've already gone around and around about Albert. I think he would be an elite Guard and it was a gamble to draft him for LT.

But, yeah. I see what you mean about Pioli.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I really pity Cassel. I really do.

He deserves a chance to prove himself. And the Chiefs are making that as difficult on him as they possibly could.

I know you wanted Sanchez. But I'm seeing that you agree that Cassel is crippled right now big time by poor decisions made by the Chiefs' front office?

I think the Chiefs have made a ton of poor decisions this offseason. I generally think Cassel was one aswell but if they were going to go with him as their guy what they did was reeruned.

If they had done this to Sanchez I'd say they were stupid too, you do not do that. You don't drop 60 mill on a QB then say "ah lets let this guy fail"

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I've already gone around and around about Albert. I think he would be an elite Guard and it was a gamble to draft him for LT.

But, yeah. I see what you mean about Pioli.

The thing that makes this worse is this team has a ton of cap room Jason Brown signed with the Rams which says hey he'd play here if we'd pay him. Deepest OL draft in recent memory but no we gotta have Alex Magee and Donald Washington.

Obviously backup ends and 4th CB's are more important than protecting your starting QB who you just basically said is our franchise guy.

And then people wonder why some think Pioli is arrogant or stupid.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I've already gone around and around about Albert. I think he would be an elite Guard and it was a gamble to draft him for LT.

But, yeah. I see what you mean about Pioli.

Albert wasn't nearly this bad last year. I still think the weight loss had a lot to do with it, and I have a feeling they're making him do a lot of different things with his technique. Because it's not like he's getting flat-out beat. On most plays, he looks like he's confused, like he's not sure what he's supposed to do fundamentally. I think he'll be fine as the season goes along.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:33 AM

A guy is confused when he got a new playbook 2 weeks before the season...Todd Haley at his best, other than when he's quitting in the 3rd quarter.

kcpasco · 09-28-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The thing that makes this worse is this team has a ton of cap room Jason Brown signed with the Rams which says hey he'd play here if we'd play him. Deepest OL draft in recent memory but no we gotta have Alex Magee and Donald Washington.

Obviously backup ends and 4th CB's are more important than protecting your starting QB who you just basically said is our franchise guy.

And then people wonder why some think Pioli is arrogant or stupid.

I think your expectations are a little to high for 1 offseason, I don't know how you can take the worst O-line in the league and by some miracle all of a sudden they are decent.

BryanBusby · 09-28-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Albert wasn't nearly this bad last year. I still think the weight loss had a lot to do with it, and I have a feeling they're making him do a lot of different things with his technique. Because it's not like he's getting flat-out beat. On most plays, he looks like he's confused, like he's not sure what he's supposed to do fundamentally. I think he'll be fine as the season goes along.

I really wonder if any of the starters really understand wtf Muir is expecting of them or do they even give a shit?

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

I think your expectations are a little to high for 1 offseason, I don't know how you can take the worst O-line in the league and by some miracle all of a sudden they are decent.

The problem is even the decent players on the line last year have suddenly regressed to almost if not complete Jordan Black level.

09-27-2009, 11:31 PM
jaa1025 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10000898	@people that think Sanchez would be a better fit Are you freaking stupid? Serious question. Sanchez would be 0-3 and probably look worse behind this oline.Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning would be 0-3. There is NO time to throw. Every time Cassell dropped back he 3-4 defenders in his face. When Vermiel was here we had a great oline...one of the best in the league. 2 HoFers helped pave the way for Priest, LJ and company. They gave time to an above average QB (Trent Green) and below average receivers to field the best offense in the league. You all freaking witnessed it...so how did you become so dumb and forget that the Oline makes the offense, just like the Dline (pass rush) makes the defense? Fix the Oline-Matt has time to actually look further than 3-5 yards down the field. Becomes a star player (Trent was as a average-above average QB) and the RB's rush for 1700+ yards. Fix the Dline(time and coaching)/OLBs(new players)--Our defense actually looks like Philly's Defense. I'd probably take our dbacks over theres and many other teams starters but they look like crap because NO ONE CAN COVER for 5-8 seconds play after play...not even Deon Sanders in his prime. So stop with the Sanchez posts. Stop with the Tebow posts (which really makes you look incredibly stupid) and realize that our offense will continue to suck until the Oline is FIXED. It's going to be a VERY long season.
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09-28-2009, 01:24 AM	#138
BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3169900 VARSITY	The thing to remember about Sanchez with the Jets is he's playing behind an O-Line that the Jets have invested a lot of money/1st round picks into, a strong running game and at least one receiver with the ability to get open (cotchery). This isn't a knock on Sanchez, as I was high on him before the draft. He's doing good so far, but the season is still very young. The Chiefs O-Line would struggle to block against Terri Shiavo and Helen Keller as pass-rushers, a #1 RB just going through the motions to collect a check and a WR corp that contains 1 WR that would have a shot at being a starter on another team. Any QB would be destroyed and look like complete ass in this offense. If the Chiefs can actually build talent on the offense and Cassel looks like shit, start the Sanchez/Cassel debate.
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09-28-2009, 01:29 AM	#143
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	If I was ever going to say I thought Pioli and Haley were arrogant here would be why I get that feeling.. Who trades for their franchise QB then gets him nothing to work with? Did these guys really think they'd take these scrub as players and make them pro bowlers? Who puts in an entirely different offensive playbook 2 weeks before the season? You decide that stuff when you TAKE THE JOB.
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09-28-2009, 01:33 AM	#148
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	A guy is confused when he got a new playbook 2 weeks before the season...Todd Haley at his best, other than when he's quitting in the 3rd quarter.
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