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Old 08-18-2014, 03:56 PM  
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After the departure of three key offensive linemen you would excuse the Chiefs’ for being off the pace up front and they certainly struggled in their first extended outing of preseason.

All five starting linemen earned negative grades in pass protection with Eric Fisher (40 snaps, -1.4 overall), Jeff Allen and Zach Fulton (40 snaps, -4.6 overall) surrendering multiple pressures. Conceding the most pressure was new right guard Fulton who let up a pair of hits and a pair of hurries, getting started early as Star Lotulelei drove outside of him for a hurry early in the game.

The bright point, and potential pressure for Fulton’s starting job, came from new signing Jeff Linkenbach (27 snaps, +3.8 overall) who surrendered no pressure with the second team and put in a very strong run-blocking display to offer a modicum of hope.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:38 AM   #136
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I don't know about you - but I think we take it all this season.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:40 AM   #137
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:47 AM   #138
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If they don't sign Alex Smith to an extension, this has all been a colossal failure.
There is the conundrum. Signing Alex Smith to an extension like he is supposedly wanting, $17+mil a year with no out clause, will hamstring this team to a point that it will just as easy to be a failure.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:48 AM   #139
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There is the conundrum. Signing Alex Smith to an extension like he is supposedly wanting, $17+mil a year with no out clause, will hamstring this team to a point that it will just as easy to be a failure.
In short, the team isn't going anywhere with him on the roster.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:06 AM   #140
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Bingo.

Go out and give up a small fortune (in draft picks) for Alex Smith and then surround him with garbage and potentially get him killed.

****ing brilliant.
2005 all over again for Smith. I do think he is a little better equipped to manage it now than he was then, but it may not be enough. Line has to improve, or nothing else will matter.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:12 AM   #141
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The correct course of action was to trade Houston, Berry and JC in order to correctly rebuild the team.

But Clark cared more about the bottom line and wanted gate revenue instead.
Trading Houston and Berry would have been idiocy. Trading Charles could have made some sense if he wasn't a running back (which is a catch-22, really, since him being a running back is the only reason to trade him at this point in his career). Since he's a running back, though, they probably couldn't have gotten fair compensation for him.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:19 AM   #142
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Fasano would be a nice #2 TE. He's not a #1. In him and Kelce, you potentially have two complimentary guys and no actual standout. We can hope about Kelce though. I don't pay much mind to Harris. He looks like one of those guys that will never see the field. All hype, no substance.



They didn't HAVE to draft Fisher to let Albert go. There were other possible solutions. Drafting Fisher 1.1 and then having him suck puts them in a deep hole. Even if Alex Smith is BETTER than they thought he could be, it might amount to nothing if they're biggest, and arguably most important, draft pick is a failure.



Part of the reason Allen and Stephenson might be struggling is because we're changing systems and schemes AGAIN. There's been no continuity on this line, in terms of personnel or scheme, and that hurts them. I've talked to Casey Wiegmann many times and he's always said the #1 factor in the success and/or failure of an offensive line is cohesion. This line has none. This is another area where drafting Fisher, inserting him at RT for a season, and then shuffling him to the other side (forcing Stephenson to move) may have done more harm than good.
There were no other options to letting Albert go. Don't even bring up Stephenson at LT bc he looked way worse than Fisher the other night.
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That still doesn't mean it makes sense as a viable long-term approach for doing things.

If "being respectable" was truly mandated in 2013, and that's what led to the Alex Smith deal, all the FA signings, etc, with anything other than the goal of building a long-term winner in mind, **** Clark Hunt.

Now, maybe Alex Smith really is a guy they looked at as bridging the gap between this prospective "ultimatum" to not suck and building long-term. Maybe. If that's the case, and Andy Reid really likes him that much, it makes signing him long-term even more important.

Problem is, all those shitty FA signings from 2013 to satisfy this prospective "ultimatum" potentially handcuff the Chiefs in keeping Smith and actually retaining the best young player on their roster (Justin Houston).

If Clark Hunt put Dorsey in that spot and is to blame for the competing and counter-productive approaches, **** him.

But that would still be better than Dorsey flip-flopping his approach from year to year.
I agree but I also don't. None of the moves handcuff us from signing everybody except bowe and even that is workable. Fasano, Daniel, Avery, devito... These guys are easy to cut.

The Chiefs will have decent enough space next year and a shitload of space in 2016.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:23 AM   #144
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There were no other options to letting Albert go. Don't even bring up Stephenson at LT bc he looked way worse than Fisher the other night.
He was playing out of position. Stephenson is a natural left tackle and probably would have been a 1st round pick if he had stayed in school. Unlike Fisher, we have actual games where we watched him play well at LT.
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I agree but I also don't. None of the moves handcuff us from signing everybody except bowe and even that is workable. Fasano, Daniel, Avery, devito... These guys are easy to cut.

The Chiefs will have decent enough space next year and a shitload of space in 2016.
Easy to cut.

Yet they won't.

What's the excuse going to be when they don't unload all of these guys?
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Easy to cut.

Yet they won't.

What's the excuse going to be when they don't unload all of these guys?
You nailed it in an earlier post. I said from the start they have to have to draft well. Until you draft their replacement, you can't cut them. I personally think Murray and Kelce could help you get rid of Daniel and Fasano (not anyone's fault McGrath tapped out). Catapano should hopefully make devito expendable. Ford helps us get better leverage with Hali or makes us less vulnerable if we just cut him. So the moves make sense but only if we draft well. Last year's draft sucked. I actually liked this year's draft but we have to do even better.
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I agree but I also don't. None of the moves handcuff us from signing everybody except bowe and even that is workable. Fasano, Daniel, Avery, devito... These guys are easy to cut.

The Chiefs will have decent enough space next year and a shitload of space in 2016.
Only in KC. Not a single game of the 2014 season, yet fans are looking forward to the available cap space in 2016 so the team can make a run by 2018. Laugh at us now, but just you wait, as soon as Andrew Luck retires KC will be a force to be reckoned with!
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He was playing out of position. Stephenson is a natural left tackle and probably would have been a 1st round pick if he had stayed in school. Unlike Fisher, we have actual games where we watched him play well at LT.
No way. Stephenson got pushed back into Alex all night. That's not a position problem. That's a strength problem
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No way. Stephenson got pushed back into Alex all night. That's not a position problem. That's a strength problem
So the most-used excuse for Fisher isn't valid for Stephenson?

Interesting.

By the way, we have actual observational experience of Stephenson playing LEFT tackle at an adequate level. Sunday's preseason game means less than nothing in this conversation. It's completely irrelevant.
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