Chiefs LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"? - Page 10

**BossChief** · 01-16-2015, 10:40 PM

Part of me wants to think so.

We saw flashes in 2013 of him testing defenses downfield and being a lot more than a game manager.

Then his OL got severely downgraded through 3 big losses in free agency (all 3 got overpaid) and his 2 guards weren't even nfl quality, let alone starter quality.

His receivers needed a major upgrade last offseason (they were an obvious team weakness) and other than adding Jason Avant late in the year and developing a promising rookie in Albert Wilson...not a whole lot was done to help provide Alex Smith with adequate weapons. Losing Avery to injury further weakened an already subpar unit.

Here's my question:

If they improve the OL and receivers...will we see Alex Smith come out of his shell again (like we saw flashes of in the second half of 2013)?

If he does, how far can this team go if the defense plays like it has and Dee Ford steps into Hali's shoes adequately?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-17-2015, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Clearly we know different 49ers fans. I lived there for 6 years and have a lot of friends there, and there are a lot of 49ers fans here in Hawaii. None of the ones I know are happy he is gone. Most of them aren't happy Smith is gone either.

Maybe it's because SoCal 49ers fans have a different perspective?

**007** · 01-17-2015, 01:23 AM

Alex is Alex. You can't fix him. This is what he does. If he gets protection he can be slightly better than average. Without protection he just sucks. Main point here, Alex is average at best. That won't be enough to accomplish the main goal.

**BossChief** · 01-17-2015, 01:26 AM

We've never seen him with a good group of receivers AND a solid OL.

Anybody that says they know what he would do with those things is simply guessing.

**Ragged Robin** · 01-17-2015, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Alex is Alex. You can't fix him. This is what he does. If he gets protection he can be slightly better than average. Without protection he just sucks. Main point here, Alex is average at best. That won't be enough to accomplish the main goal.

having a dogshit supporting cast minus RB won't be enough to accomplish the goal either

chiefzilla1501 · 01-17-2015, 01:51 AM

Much as people want to blame the OL, Smith's decline this season was behind pretty much the same OL he played with when the team was on a winning streak. Teams started dialing up the blitz and Smith never seemed to pick them up. That's a problem. If he's not picking up blitzes at 30, he never will. I don't understand why Smith gets so many props for being a smart QB. Seems to make stupid mistakes all the time.

Speaking of not being smart... there's a great article on Rodgers and the deep ball. It was amazing to hear his thought process. Smith doesn't have that. Every single pass is wide open to the bread basket. No fades. No back shoulder throws. No jump balls.

The other thing that bugs me is... Smith will only open his game up if the defense sucks. And I for one don't want to be rooting for the Chiefs' defense to fail just so our QB can grow some balls.

**007** · 01-17-2015, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Much as people want to blame the OL, Smith's decline this season was behind pretty much the same OL he played with when the team was on a winning streak. Teams started dialing up the blitz and Smith never seemed to pick them up. That's a problem. If he's not picking up blitzes at 30, he never will. I don't understand why Smith gets so many props for being a smart QB. Seems to make stupid mistakes all the time.

Speaking of not being smart... there's a great article on Rodgers and the deep ball. It was amazing to hear his thought process. Smith doesn't have that. Every single pass is wide open to the bread basket. No fades. No back shoulder throws. No jump balls.

The other thing that bugs me is... Smith will only open his game up if the defense sucks. And I for one don't want to be rooting for the Chiefs' defense to fail just so our QB can grow some balls.

Not to mention all the sacks that ****er takes instead of getting rid of the ball.

Valiant · 01-17-2015, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

He is 30 years old... no.

All we can do now is mask his faults by giving him a better O-Line and receiving options.

Oline, yes..., still will not help him get rid of the ball..

Receiving options?? ****ing Cassel did better with less.. Smith had Bowe and Kelce.. That should of been enough to look average.. Smith sucked this year on reads..

Discuss Thrower · 01-17-2015, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO if the Chiefs add 2 starting guards, 2 WRs that can get separation, mix in the right veteran here and there, this team can make a run at the Super Bowl NEXT YEAR.

We were already better than SD (really should be on a 4 win streak against them if it weren't for ref BS in the 2013 finale and ijiratutu catching that miracle td) and Denver is obviously rebuilding. Oakland isn't going anywhere.

We already showed we could beat NE and anyone else in their division.

Pittsburgh was beatable.

I think we have more talent than the Ravens.

Cincy?

Indy?

I think with a few upgrades and a strong draft class, we can be in position to beat any team in the AFC in the playoffs if Andy can get Alex to trust everyone (most importantly himself) we can beat ANYONE.

(Even ourselves)

No amount of offensive line or wide receivers will help Alex.

The Chiefs are a lot closer to being the Raiders in terms of competitiveness than they are the Bengals or the Colts.

jonzie04 · 01-17-2015, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

No amount of offensive line or wide receivers will help Alex.

The Chiefs are a lot closer to being the Raiders in terms of competitiveness than they are the Bengals or the Colts.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-17-2015, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Exactly.

That's why it's imperative that they upgrade the WRs and OL significantly if they are going to give this plan of winning with Alex a real chance.

Can't give the guy that deal and then not relentlessly try to put the pieces around him that help him have every opportunity to have continued success.

2 years ago, if somebody told you to build a team around Alex Smith starting from nothing, what would you say? I know what I'd say. Your defense better win games for you because your QB won't. Give him a good running game because you don't want him throwing all the time. Give him TEs because dude is too afraid to throw to receivers. The Chiefs at full health might have a top 3 defense. They have the best RBs in the league. They have a pretty good set of TEs.

The two areas where they're weak are two areas that Smith doesn't help... at all. He doesn't get rid of the ball quickly or read the blitz which doesn't help the OL. He won't throw to receivers unless they're wide open. Honestly, if the Chiefs add WR or OL options, with everything else Smith has as a supporting cast, there is no excuse for him not to be an AFC champion QB. I personally think even with those things, he's going to fall way short.

kcxiv · 01-17-2015, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Clearly we know different 49ers fans. I lived there for 6 years and have a lot of friends there, and there are a lot of 49ers fans here in Hawaii. None of the ones I know are happy he is gone. Most of them aren't happy Smith is gone either.

Most fans i know and i live in nor cal like that he's gone. They felt he did lose the team. there is the small minority thats casual that things its a bad idea, but the hardcores i know are happy Alex is gone and happy jim is gone. Not sure they are happy about the new coach though. lol i see them mixed on that.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-17-2015, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Lahey

I think he's already been fixed..

He played like he didn't have balls all last season.

Aaaaaaand/thread.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-17-2015, 06:34 AM

And every Saturday, he works in the yard

Picks up the dog-doo, hopes that it's hard

(wuff-wuff)

**the Talking Can** · 01-17-2015, 07:04 AM

Smith isn't going to magically become a qb he's never been.

Nothing else to say. The only question is whether we waste 4 or 5 years on him.

ViperVisor · 01-17-2015, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Alex Smith takes sacks because of his style.

Matt Ryan has been sacked 188 times in his career while throwing 3916 passes

Alex Smith has been sacked 280 times and has only attempted 3149 passes in his career.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/und...ack-breakdowns
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/und...sack-deviation
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/und...ssure-short-it

2012 is the only time you could put sacks on Alex Smith. He saw the scoreboard with the 49ers up 2 scores and ate the turf vs throwing a pass.

His style is 'my O-Line can not be counted on'. That has been the case for almost his entire career.

Matt Ryan wouldn't and isn't doing anything on this team unless he is bringing a Dome and Julio Jones with him.

01-16-2015, 10:40 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1785912	LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"? Part of me wants to think so. We saw flashes in 2013 of him testing defenses downfield and being a lot more than a game manager. Then his OL got severely downgraded through 3 big losses in free agency (all 3 got overpaid) and his 2 guards weren't even nfl quality, let alone starter quality. His receivers needed a major upgrade last offseason (they were an obvious team weakness) and other than adding Jason Avant late in the year and developing a promising rookie in Albert Wilson...not a whole lot was done to help provide Alex Smith with adequate weapons. Losing Avery to injury further weakened an already subpar unit. Here's my question: If they improve the OL and receivers...will we see Alex Smith come out of his shell again (like we saw flashes of in the second half of 2013)? If he does, how far can this team go if the defense plays like it has and Dee Ford steps into Hali's shoes adequately?
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1815503	Much as people want to blame the OL, Smith's decline this season was behind pretty much the same OL he played with when the team was on a winning streak. Teams started dialing up the blitz and Smith never seemed to pick them up. That's a problem. If he's not picking up blitzes at 30, he never will. I don't understand why Smith gets so many props for being a smart QB. Seems to make stupid mistakes all the time. Speaking of not being smart... there's a great article on Rodgers and the deep ball. It was amazing to hear his thought process. Smith doesn't have that. Every single pass is wide open to the bread basket. No fades. No back shoulder throws. No jump balls. The other thing that bugs me is... Smith will only open his game up if the defense sucks. And I for one don't want to be rooting for the Chiefs' defense to fail just so our QB can grow some balls.
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