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pugsnotdrugs19 · 12-20-2018, 09:49 AM

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Spott · 12-20-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Chiefs looked pretty damn good with Berry out there...team is ****ing loaded.

Except for the first play, they drove down the field most of the game. They drove the length of the field two times in a row on us and the game would have been tied at halftime if Fuller didn’t make that pick at the back of the end zone. After halftime, they drove down the field on us the same way they did when Berry was in there.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-20-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Ok, so

Against SF when it's 35 10 at the half, you're wanting them to come out in the 2nd half and what? Throw it aggressively around?

Look at the teams you are upset with. Look at the defenses. You are expecting the Chiefs to just mow teams down possession after possession? Against those defenses, every time?

Again, we don't have to mow teams down. But vs SD, Den, AZ, SF we had 10 out of 16 three-and-outs. 12-out-of 16 six-and-outs or less. That's 63-75%. And again the common theme is this level of ineffectiveness happens as soon as we start pumping the brakes. Surely you don't think our offense is that incapable of moving the ball.

I don't know the exact answer. I'm just asking you to acknowledge the problem exists. The majority of the games, as soon as we're up 10 we become a 3-and-out machine. I personally believe we should play leads like they're 0-0 games instead of trying not to lose.

We're not talking failure to score. We can't even get first downs in these situations. If we're good enough to build a commanding lead in the first half, why are failing to convert a first down on 2/3 of those drives?

suzzer99 · 12-20-2018, 02:20 PM

If we somehow blow the first round bye, on like seven consecutive miracles for the Chargers going back to the Pitt game and before, it will be a very Chiefy thing to do.

O.city · 12-20-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Again, we don't have to mow teams down. But vs SD, Den, AZ, SF we had 10 out of 16 three-and-outs. 12-out-of 16 six-and-outs or less. That's 63-75%. And again the common theme is this level of ineffectiveness happens as soon as we start pumping the brakes. Surely you don't think our offense is that incapable of moving the ball.

I don't know the exact answer. I'm just asking you to acknowledge the problem exists. The majority of the games, as soon as we're up 10 we become a 3-and-out machine. I personally believe we should play leads like they're 0-0 games instead of trying not to lose.

We're not talking failure to score. We can't even get first downs in these situations. If we're good enough to build a commanding lead in the first half, why are failing to convert a first down on 2/3 of those drives?

Because doing what you're asking them to do is potentially the fastest way to let teams back in a game.

If you're scoring on 25-37% of drives, I'd say that's probably good enough.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-20-2018, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Because doing what you're asking them to do is potentially the fastest way to let teams back in a game.

If you're scoring on 25-37% of drives, I'd say that's probably good enough.

If we can score on 25-37% of drives, then there's no excuse to be scoring on 5% of drives where we have a lead (or whatever the # is).

If you think the "protect the lead" strategy works, that's your prerogative. At least you're acknowledging that the Chiefs are totally changing their offensive approach when we have a lead. Again, I'm not talking about gunning 50 yard passes. Just keep doing the same things you did the first half that got you the lead in the first place.

I think it's a shitty strategy when you can't trust your D and you think you can get away with that against a playoff QB like Rivers, Brady, Watson, or Brees. And I know I'm not the only one. If we're going to be a 3 and out machine and hand the ball back right away anyway, I'd rather go down swinging.

O.city · 12-20-2018, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If we can score on 25-37% of drives, then there's no excuse to be scoring on 5% of drives where we have a lead (or whatever the # is).

If you think the "protect the lead" strategy works, that's your prerogative. At least you're acknowledging that the Chiefs are totally changing their offensive approach when we have a lead. Again, I'm not talking about gunning 50 yard passes. Just keep doing the same things you did the first half that got you the lead in the first place.

I think it's a shitty strategy when you can't trust your D and you think you can get away with that against a playoff QB like Rivers, Brady, Watson, or Brees. And I know I'm not the only one. If we're going to be a 3 and out machine and hand the ball back right away anyway, I'd rather go down swinging.

Maybe they are and the defense stops it?

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-20-2018, 02:34 PM

You've lost your mind. You are basically expecting the Chiefs to play an entire game perfect on offense every week....not happening. Look at the ****ing Saints lately...

Again, KC is THIRD ALL TIME in scoring.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-20-2018, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe they are and the defense stops it?

Then we need to get on Andy Reid's ass for not making offensive adjustments.

I just don't buy it. Again, we consistently find ways to score when we're clawing in the 2nd half. New England, Baltimore, LA Rams. Don't you find it a little weird that we make adjustments when we're clawing, but we can't make adjustments when we're winning big?

I don't think that's a coincidence. It's a pattern. Teams aren't adjusting to us. We're adjusting to situations, and we're not doing a good job of it. Maybe the answer isn't attacking. I just know whatever we're doing ain't working, and bad QB play on the other side to close games ain't always going to bail us out.

O.city · 12-20-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Then we need to get on Andy Reid's ass for not making offensive adjustments.

I just don't buy it. Again, we consistently find ways to score when we're clawing in the 2nd half. New England, Baltimore, LA Rams. Don't you find it a little weird that we make adjustments when we're clawing, but we can't make adjustments when we're winning big?

I don't think that's a coincidence. It's a pattern. Teams aren't adjusting to us. We're adjusting to situations, and we're not doing a good job of it. Maybe the answer isn't attacking. I just know whatever we're doing ain't working, and bad QB play on the other side to close games ain't always going to bail us out.

They moved it at will against the Ravens? Consistently? Nah.

They did against the Rams and the Pats. Sure. Worse defenses.

O.city · 12-20-2018, 02:40 PM

You're saying they are going to short passing games once they get big leads?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-20-2018, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

You've lost your mind. You are basically expecting the Chiefs to play an entire game perfect on offense every week....not happening. Look at the ****ing Saints lately...

Again, KC is THIRD ALL TIME in scoring.

This isn't about KC not scoring.

It's about KC not getting first downs predictably in the same exact situations - we have no problem moving the ball when we're behind, tied, or a little up. We can't buy a first down to save our lives when we're winning by 2 scores. Consistently. That is clearly not a talent issue, that is clearly our situational playcalling.

Marcellus · 12-20-2018, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

The other team makes adjustments while the Chiefs do not.

This is simply not true and its been pointed out nuerous times that Sutton has changed things up in games frequently this season.

He changed things against the Chargers in the second half and it backfired.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-20-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You're saying they are going to short passing games once they get big leads?

I don't know. I'm just acknowledging the pattern exists. And it's not entirely because of the defenses we face. We flat out look like a different offense in those situations. Our players, our playcalling, everything.... I have my guesses why.

Marcellus · 12-20-2018, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

The Chiefs have scored more than the opponents season average in EVERY game. Usually by more than a TD. He's nuts. No team in HISTORY has done what he expects Mahomes to do. We are THIRD ALL TIME in scoring.

Yea but we didnt get that final first down last week so none of that matters.

Marcellus · 12-20-2018, 02:46 PM

Im not simply looking forward to next year because I still think this years team has a shot, but damn man I didnt expect to be here at this point.

If we lose in the playoffs it will be disspointing but I'm still going to be pumped, this was year 1 of Mahomes. He isnt going to fall off some cliff. We will be going into next season with the best QB in football again. Thats never happened in KC.

We will field a decent defense behind him sooner than later and its going to be awesome. Berry has the ability to make that happen THIS season.

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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9099447	MELLINGER: Dear Chiefs fans: C'mon, it's not that bad ... LINK: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...223324950.html ARTICLE: Spoiler! BY SAM MELLINGER December 19th, 2018 This will be hard for some of you to understand. That’s not said negatively. Just factually. Because some of you came to follow the Chiefs because of Patrick Mahomes. Which is fine. Kansas City is not accustomed to rooting for trendy teams. These are strange times we live in. But here’s a quick primer for those who started rooting for the Chiefs once they began playing a wizard at quarterback: Your new team is a habitual heartbreaker. The darkness in the stories you hear from your new brothers and sisters is real. They are not whining. They are speaking their truth. And, you know, while we’re on the topic, here’s something for those of you who fell in love with this team long ago — you’ve never cheered for a team like this. More specifically, you’ve never cheered for a quarterback like this. You know that, of course. That’s been obvious since Week 17 of last year, if not earlier. But if last week’s loss shook your confidence, it’s worth pointing something out. If this same Chiefs team — flaws and strengths, studs and duds — wore different uniforms and played in a different city, you would be jealous. If this Chiefs team wore Colts uniforms, for instance, you would be terrified with all the scenarios of Mahomes driving a figurative knife through your metaphorical heart with a game-winning drive capped by a Tarkenton scramble with a sack-avoiding cartwheel and left-handed no-look pass threading four defenders. This is, basically, what Kansas City has waited decades to see. The Chiefs have the best quarterback in a league that’s never been more dominated by quarterbacks. They have the best offense in a league teaching fans who can’t remember the 2000 Baltimore Ravens that, actually, Offense Wins Championships. These Chiefs have lost three games, by a total of seven points, each literally or essentially coming down to the final play. They are 3-2 against teams currently holding an AFC playoff spot, with two of those wins on the road. The losses came against the New England Patriots, who have lost three of five, and the Los Angeles Chargers, who lost to the Chiefs at home and have led the Chiefs for just 4 of 7,200 seconds this season. The Chiefs have flaws. Oh brother, they’ve got flaws. They have a defense fronted by Chris Jones and Dee Ford and Justin Houston with a solid group of cornerbacks and they’re still somehow terrible. They have averaged 39.7 points in their losses. The defense scored or set up three touchdowns and the offense gave up two touchdowns in those losses, but still. If you can’t relax with 40 points, you can’t ever relax. This team has problems keeping its quarterback clean, and has consistently amplified its problems tackling (worst among projected AFC playoff teams, according to Pro Football Focus) by being the NFL’s most penalized team. So even without a playoff collapse presented in regular season form last week, you wouldn’t have to think too hard to come up with ugly scenarios. But the AFC lacks a singularly dominant team. Usually, when that happens, the fallback logic is that the hottest team wins. Well, the Chiefs are well-positioned to be that team with a win this weekend in Seattle. The Seahawks are a terrible matchup for the Chiefs, the league’s best rushing team against the worst rush defense. But they are also beatable, and a home underdog against the team so many here in Kansas City are freaking out about. Win this weekend and no matter what the Chargers do the Chiefs can clinch another AFC West title and first-round bye with a win over the Raiders in week 17 (the NFL’s version of a layup). Do all of that and they will be going into the playoffs with the league’s best quarterback and offense, and a defense that is at least getting healthier and presumably a little better with the return of safety Eric Berry. That’s enough to fight with. Look, the Chiefs might ruin your January. That is in play. Berry could be injured at any moment, a two-score lead disintegrated in 5 minutes, and a badly timed penalty or missed kick will stir up a lot of ghosts. The new fans will be quick learners on that. Welcome to the heartbreak, suckers. But the longtime fans can learn something here. Meet in the middle. Open your eyes, and see a quarterback and team capable of scoring an average of 37.7 points against six projected playoff teams. Unless you are old enough to remember 1969, this is the closest the team you root for has ever resembled the team you’ve wanted it to be. If you’re giving up hope because of one loss in a year without a dominant team, well, nobody can fault you for protecting your heart. But they might also ask a simple question. What are you waiting for?
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