Chiefs Some Quick Things - Page 10

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 06:40 AM

Tough, hard fought football game against a physical Titans team that always gives Andy and Mahomes fits.

1. I don't think Titans win with a hobbled Tannehill, either. Willis' outside mobility was their second best weapon. Tannehill would've completed some passes, but also would've been a sitting duck and the Chiefs' pass rush was improved.

2. Chiefs defense was outstanding. Derrick Henry is a MAN out there, and other than the one big run, they bottled him up pretty well. Those of you calling for Spags head are NUTS. Spags has been a magician this year, playing all these rookies, and still dials up the perfect play in the crucial moment.

3. Saunders needs MOAR SNAPS. He's clearly better than Nnadi. In fact, he certainly appears to be our best DT not named Jones.

4.Wylie blows goats. He's absolutely terrible, and overmatched on an NFL field.

5. Trey Smith...I don't know what's going on, but he's not been playing all that well either.

6. OBJ is not good enough. At his best, he's average. Demanding top of the market pay when you're not very good is a bad look.

7. 68 passes? Yeesh. Our inability to run the ball has got to be fixed. You can't do that every game. You just can't. I know Wylie can't run block either, but I don't understand why the other four just cannot open holes when that's supposed to be each of their strong suit.

8. The Titans are what they always are; they're a problem. They're tough, they're physical, they're well coached. You can hate Vrabel if you want, but he always has his guys ready to play hard for him. That was a VERY disciplined defense. I didn't see anything all that fancy happening coverage-wise. They just executed. They're going to be back in the play-offs again.

9. Butker. What's up with that? Dooooooood.

10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.

raybec 4 · 11-07-2022, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Tamba was nearly a 100 sack guy.

That's an ABSURDLY high bar.

I mean if the guy manages 50-60 career sacks, that's pretty acceptable to me. I mean if he's Kyle Vanden Bosch you take that 100 times out of 100.

I'm not a big homer (IMO) and if he stinks I'll say it. I honestly believe barring injury he will be a guy that gets between 6-10 sacks a year for ten plus years. He's not going to be the guy who gets you 15 in one season but I think his relentless effort will make him an above average pass rusher.

displacedinMN · 11-07-2022, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

That game brought back memories of what Elway used to do to us in the last few minutes of a game. We would have the lead and then he would scramble out of a sack and make some stupid, ridiculous throw for a 1st. Then he was scrambling in for a TD, etc.

Next thing you know our lead with under 10 mins left is gone and we are wondering WTF just happened?

The Mahomes effect.

Teams get excited and nervous when they are up late vs Mahomes/chiefs.

Then blow it.

Best22 · 11-07-2022, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Indy was a road game.

And LAC has Derwin James, who has been hell on us since he came into the league.

Yeah Indy was our only bad road performance. Still most AFC teams have gotten us at Arrowhead as of now

SF and TB have better defenses than Indy, we just decided to play flat against the Colts for 60 minutes. We made one too many mistakes and it bit us in the ass

DRM08 · 11-07-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

That’s because most of our games against the AFC have been at home, where the offense is less explosive and always has been in the Mahomes era

And I wouldn’t call our offensive effort against the Raiders “a struggle”. 30 points in a comeback win is pretty good

The offense gained 387 yards against the Bills elite defense, but a red zone turnover and a questionable OPI kept us from scoring more points against a great defense

I agree the offense struggled to move the ball and get rhythm against LAC, IND, and TEN.

Raiders defense is not good, but the Chiefs offense struggled for 90% of the first half. It was ugly and they were down 17-0 at one point. I didn't like the very end of the game with a 3rd and 3 chance to seal it, and Mahomes blew it with a failed deep ball attempt. Just go for the short yardage throw to get your 3 yards. This opened the door for the Raiders to win it. Luckily Carr also messed up by going for a deep ball on 4th and 1, which led to those Raider guys tripping over each other on their routes.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Dude I'm not trying to homer out here or anything but I just cant keep having a conversation where 5 of 8 games the offense has been shit yet almost halfway through the season KC has the most efficient offense in the NFL and its not even marginally close. The gap between KC and Buffalo (#2) is as big as the gap between Buffalo and the #16 offense.

I mean mother of God those other 3 games were really really really powerful by your argument.

It takes a special effort to find shit to worry about these days, but goddamnit if we have to break down splits until we find the Chiefs struggle on offense at home on 3rd and 7+ in the 3rd quarter of prime time games when the other team is playing on a short week, we'll get there.

DJ's left nut · 11-07-2022, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

I'm not a big homer (IMO) and if he stinks I'll say it. I honestly believe barring injury he will be a guy that gets between 6-10 sacks a year for ten plus years. He's not going to be the guy who gets you 15 in one season but I think his relentless effort will make him an above average pass rusher.

I just think we lose track of how rare that is. 8 seasons of 8 sacks each is 64, right?

There haven't been 200 defenders in league history to hit that mark. And to get to 90 like Hali puts you in the top 100. All time.

I mean that's a damn stout 'expectation', IMO.

JPH83 · 11-07-2022, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

oh..Sam McDowell is saying on Petro that ESPN now tracks WR's getting open and MVS is next to last in the league right in front of AJ Green.

No idea of the validity but I'm going to use this to say my eyes from the TV are better than yours in rhe stadium DJ! Jk

Marcellus · 11-07-2022, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO. 21 points per game in the 5 "struggle" games I mentioned against AFC teams. That low rate of scoring is similar to the 20th best offense in the NFL. They scored over 40 points per game in the 3 strong games against the NFC.

Do you know what EPA is?

Do you think Buffalo has a better offense? Or Cincy?

Megatron96 · 11-07-2022, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

That's not exactly true. I saw in another thread we have the capability of extending/adjusting contracts to produce $60-$100m in cap space next year. That's one of the contributing factors to my interest.

Yeah, but I was thinking more in terms of all the other guys we probably have to pay first, before we get to paying a running back $10 million a year.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-07-2022, 04:44 PM

Just noticed that the Titans ran a lot of 5 man DLine, with a backer immediately shooting in as well. That's six dudes committed to stopping the run on many downs. It really shouldn't be a mystery as to why we had trouble running the ball against that front when they're:
1) really good
2) really big and
3) there's often 5-6 of them.

Megatron96 · 11-07-2022, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Just noticed that the Titans ran a lot of 5 man DLine, with a backer immediately shooting in as well. That's six dudes committed to stopping the run on many downs. It really shouldn't be a mystery as to why we had trouble running the ball against that front when they're:
1) really good
2) really big and
3) there's often 5-6 of them.

They play old school trenches football better than maybe any team in the league right now. i didn't really believe it until last night, seeing it on the big screen in the living room by myself. They're playing 80's/90's run-centric football, very similar to the kind the Chiefs played back then.

And KC can't play that kind of football against TEN, period. We don't have the horses.

I think Andy tried to a bit, but quickly realized that was a mistake. We were never going to beat TEN at their own game. Andy needed to play the Chiefs game which is more sophisticated and less about beating the tar out of the opponent and more about outsmarting them.

**Rausch** · 11-07-2022, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

They play old school trenches football better than maybe any team in the league right now. i didn't really believe it until last night, seeing it on the big screen in the living room by myself. They're playing 80's/90's run-centric football, very similar to the kind the Chiefs played back then.

And KC can't play that kind of football against TEN, period. We don't have the horses.
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I'm pretty sure we did just that. Didn't we walk Gay down to play DE a few times?...

MMXcalibur · 11-07-2022, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.

Excellent item to pick up on.

Tennessee: always the bridesmaid, never the bride

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Like most other things in life, it is a confluence of complicated answers full of nuance.

The reality is each team is different and there is a lot going on. The fact is, if 1 team goes to shit it is 3.125% of the league.

Green Bay trading Adams and Rodgers quitting is 3.125% of the league.
Tom Brady finally getting old is 3.125%
Baker being a bag of shit is 3.125%
Russ being a bag of shit (

**** Donk Forever

) is 3.125%
Herbert breaking his self is 3.125%
Dumb**** Carr coming apart at the seams is 3.125%
9ers inexplicably sticking to Trey Lance and trying to **** over Garoppollo is 3.125%
NO - whatever the **** is going on down there is 3.125%
The wheels coming off the Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bags is 3.125%
Indy was somehow better with Carson Wentz (

) is another 3.125%

And those are the easy ones. That's 28% of the league just having weird shit happen.

This is a good point and I think all true.
ALSO:
You'd have to work pretty hard to talk me out of the idea that a LOT of all the crazy shit that happened this offseason isn't all a part of what I'll call THE MAHOMES EFFECT.

As in, "we're not going to be able to get past KC without an elite WR", and "we need to trade for an elite QB or we'll never compete with Mahomes and KC!"

There was a whole lot of that going around, like everyone in the NFL without a top 5 QB lost their minds.

Now maybe it's not Mahomes, but I think the fact that the rest of the league is looking at him and realizing that he's 27 years old has them all doing desperate things.

**Rausch** · 11-07-2022, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MMXcalibur

Excellent item to pick up on.

Tennessee: always the bridesmaid, never the bride

I was really hoping Kerry Collins would get a ring that year. I like redemption stories. Ah well...

11-07-2022, 06:40 AM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1325090	Some Quick Things Tough, hard fought football game against a physical Titans team that always gives Andy and Mahomes fits. 1. I don't think Titans win with a hobbled Tannehill, either. Willis' outside mobility was their second best weapon. Tannehill would've completed some passes, but also would've been a sitting duck and the Chiefs' pass rush was improved. 2. Chiefs defense was outstanding. Derrick Henry is a MAN out there, and other than the one big run, they bottled him up pretty well. Those of you calling for Spags head are NUTS. Spags has been a magician this year, playing all these rookies, and still dials up the perfect play in the crucial moment. 3. Saunders needs MOAR SNAPS. He's clearly better than Nnadi. In fact, he certainly appears to be our best DT not named Jones. 4.Wylie blows goats. He's absolutely terrible, and overmatched on an NFL field. 5. Trey Smith...I don't know what's going on, but he's not been playing all that well either. 6. OBJ is not good enough. At his best, he's average. Demanding top of the market pay when you're not very good is a bad look. 7. 68 passes? Yeesh. Our inability to run the ball has got to be fixed. You can't do that every game. You just can't. I know Wylie can't run block either, but I don't understand why the other four just cannot open holes when that's supposed to be each of their strong suit. 8. The Titans are what they always are; they're a problem. They're tough, they're physical, they're well coached. You can hate Vrabel if you want, but he always has his guys ready to play hard for him. That was a VERY disciplined defense. I didn't see anything all that fancy happening coverage-wise. They just executed. They're going to be back in the play-offs again. 9. Butker. What's up with that? Dooooooood. 10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.
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Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $-89806	Just noticed that the Titans ran a lot of 5 man DLine, with a backer immediately shooting in as well. That's six dudes committed to stopping the run on many downs. It really shouldn't be a mystery as to why we had trouble running the ball against that front when they're: 1) really good 2) really big and 3) there's often 5-6 of them. __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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