Chiefs Some Quick Things - Page 9

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 06:40 AM

Tough, hard fought football game against a physical Titans team that always gives Andy and Mahomes fits.

1. I don't think Titans win with a hobbled Tannehill, either. Willis' outside mobility was their second best weapon. Tannehill would've completed some passes, but also would've been a sitting duck and the Chiefs' pass rush was improved.

2. Chiefs defense was outstanding. Derrick Henry is a MAN out there, and other than the one big run, they bottled him up pretty well. Those of you calling for Spags head are NUTS. Spags has been a magician this year, playing all these rookies, and still dials up the perfect play in the crucial moment.

3. Saunders needs MOAR SNAPS. He's clearly better than Nnadi. In fact, he certainly appears to be our best DT not named Jones.

4.Wylie blows goats. He's absolutely terrible, and overmatched on an NFL field.

5. Trey Smith...I don't know what's going on, but he's not been playing all that well either.

6. OBJ is not good enough. At his best, he's average. Demanding top of the market pay when you're not very good is a bad look.

7. 68 passes? Yeesh. Our inability to run the ball has got to be fixed. You can't do that every game. You just can't. I know Wylie can't run block either, but I don't understand why the other four just cannot open holes when that's supposed to be each of their strong suit.

8. The Titans are what they always are; they're a problem. They're tough, they're physical, they're well coached. You can hate Vrabel if you want, but he always has his guys ready to play hard for him. That was a VERY disciplined defense. I didn't see anything all that fancy happening coverage-wise. They just executed. They're going to be back in the play-offs again.

9. Butker. What's up with that? Dooooooood.

10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.

**dirk digler** · 11-07-2022, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO. 21 points per game in the 5 "struggle" games I mentioned against AFC teams. That low rate of scoring is similar to the 20th best offense in the NFL. They scored over 40 points per game in the 3 strong games against the NFC.

I don't think it's too much to hope for 27-30 points per game against AFC opponents. They are capable of this, but they aren't doing it so far this year. Gotta find a way to be better in the later part of the season against AFC teams, especially the playoffs. Do you think 21 points per game will be good enough in playoff games against teams with explosive offenses like Cincy, Miami, or Buffalo?

The other correlation you could make is the low scoring games have come at home mostly.

**HemiEd** · 11-07-2022, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Cris Collinsworth was praising Wylie last night multiple times.

That's some Bizarro World shit right there.

Yep, multiple times. I caught myself wondering what his motivation might be? Relative?

Been a fan of his clear back to when he was a WR and know he knows a lot more about the game than I do, and maybe even more than some others on CP.

DRM08 · 11-07-2022, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

The other correlation you could make is the low scoring games have come at home mostly.

Yeah, that's been an interesting trend with the Chiefs for a number of years.

Couch-Potato · 11-07-2022, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Shut up about Saquon. I've had wet dreams about him in this offense, and consciously master-bated more than a few times thinking about it, but it will never happen. Can't afford a high-dollar RB on this team for the foreseeable future.

That's not exactly true. I saw in another thread we have the capability of extending/adjusting contracts to produce $60-$100m in cap space next year. That's one of the contributing factors to my interest.

DRM08 · 11-07-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

That's not exactly true. I saw in another thread we have the capability of extending/adjusting contracts to produce $60-$100m in cap space next year. That's one of the contributing factors to my interest.

Spend the money on the OL & defense. The OL needs to be a hell of a lot better for the run game to improve.

**dirk digler** · 11-07-2022, 03:12 PM

Didn't know this but we had the most drops of any team this year in this game.

**dirk digler** · 11-07-2022, 03:14 PM

oh..Sam McDowell is saying on Petro that ESPN now tracks WR's getting open and MVS is next to last in the league right in front of AJ Green.

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

You guys are blowing up Wylie and not looking at the Titans secondary. Our receivers weren't separating. I don't care how good the OL is. If there's nowhere to go with the ball then you're equally dead. Mahomes took advantage of their backs being back to him late in the game. That and the aggressive edge rusher losing contain because they were looking to end it.

Andy said he thought they looking pretty good in pass protection but the running game... not so much.

Wylie blows goats, and nothing you or anyone else can say is going to convince me otherwise.

Nightfyre · 11-07-2022, 03:21 PM

One quick add on to this thread: there is a lot of blame flying at individual chiefs here, but the other team gets paid too. The titans Dline is crazy deep and good. Their linebackers played incredibly and their secondary was in receivers' pockets all night. For all the hype about the chiefs playing the best defenses in weeks prior, this was the best defense they have played. I tip the cap to Vrabel and the titans. Literally the 90s chiefs.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-07-2022, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

That's not exactly true. I saw in another thread we have the capability of extending/adjusting contracts to produce $60-$100m in cap space next year. That's one of the contributing factors to my interest.

Barkley isn't running through the non-existent holes, either.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-07-2022, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

One quick add on to this thread: there is a lot of blame flying at individual chiefs here, but the other team gets paid too. The titans Dline is crazy deep and good. Their linebackers played incredibly and their secondary was in receivers' pockets all night. For all the hype about the chiefs playing the best defenses in weeks prior, this was the best defense they have played. I tip the cap to Vrabel and the titans. Literally the 90s chiefs.

Agree completely. That defense was stout, better than the Bills, 49ers, Chargers.

DJ's left nut · 11-07-2022, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

With Karlaftis work ethic I really don't see bust being a label he could earn. He will take time, absolutely but he will have every bit as good a career as Tamba had IMO.

Tamba was nearly a 100 sack guy.

That's an ABSURDLY high bar.

I mean if the guy manages 50-60 career sacks, that's pretty acceptable to me. I mean if he's Kyle Vanden Bosch you take that 100 times out of 100.

**Buehler445** · 11-07-2022, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Defenses are playing much better this year. Any ideas why?

Like most other things in life, it is a confluence of complicated answers full of nuance.

The reality is each team is different and there is a lot going on. The fact is, if 1 team goes to shit it is 3.125% of the league.

Green Bay trading Adams and Rodgers quitting is 3.125% of the league.
Tom Brady finally getting old is 3.125%
Baker being a bag of shit is 3.125%
Russ being a bag of shit (

**** Donk Forever

) is 3.125%
Herbert breaking his self is 3.125%
Dumb**** Carr coming apart at the seams is 3.125%
9ers inexplicably sticking to Trey Lance and trying to **** over Garoppollo is 3.125%
NO - whatever the **** is going on down there is 3.125%
The wheels coming off the Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bags is 3.125%
Indy was somehow better with Carson Wentz (

) is another 3.125%

And those are the easy ones. That's 28% of the league just having weird shit happen.

Best22 · 11-07-2022, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

The Chiefs offense has struggled in 5 of 8 games. That's 5 games against AFC opponents where they scored about 21 points per game, excluding Justin Herbert's Pick 6. The only 3 games where the Chiefs offense looked great was against NFC opponents. That's great for a potential Super Bowl matchup against a NFC team, but what about making it through the AFC playoffs? 21 points per game against AFC opponents is a bad trend.

Mahomes, the OL, the RB's, the receivers, and the coaches need to find a way to have much stronger performance in the later part of this season, especially the AFC playoffs. 21 points per game against the likes of Buffalo, Miami, or Cincy is going to prevent you from reaching a Super Bowl. They're damn lucky the Titans had a struggling backup QB or they probably lose that game last night against Tannehill.

That’s because most of our games against the AFC have been at home, where the offense is less explosive and always has been in the Mahomes era

And I wouldn’t call our offensive effort against the Raiders “a struggle”. 30 points in a comeback win is pretty good

The offense gained 387 yards against the Bills elite defense, but a red zone turnover and a questionable OPI kept us from scoring more points against a great defense

I agree the offense struggled to move the ball and get rhythm against LAC, IND, and TEN.

DJ's left nut · 11-07-2022, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

That’s because most of our games against the AFC have been at home, where the offense is less explosive and always has been in the Mahomes era

And I wouldn’t call our offensive effort against the Raiders “a struggle”. 30 points in a comeback win is pretty good

The offense gained 387 yards against the Bills elite defense, but a red zone turnover and a questionable OPI kept us from scoring more points against a great defense

I agree the offense struggled to move the ball and get rhythm against LAC, IND, and TEN.

Indy was a road game.

And LAC has Derwin James, who has been hell on us since he came into the league.

11-07-2022, 06:40 AM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1325090	Some Quick Things Tough, hard fought football game against a physical Titans team that always gives Andy and Mahomes fits. 1. I don't think Titans win with a hobbled Tannehill, either. Willis' outside mobility was their second best weapon. Tannehill would've completed some passes, but also would've been a sitting duck and the Chiefs' pass rush was improved. 2. Chiefs defense was outstanding. Derrick Henry is a MAN out there, and other than the one big run, they bottled him up pretty well. Those of you calling for Spags head are NUTS. Spags has been a magician this year, playing all these rookies, and still dials up the perfect play in the crucial moment. 3. Saunders needs MOAR SNAPS. He's clearly better than Nnadi. In fact, he certainly appears to be our best DT not named Jones. 4.Wylie blows goats. He's absolutely terrible, and overmatched on an NFL field. 5. Trey Smith...I don't know what's going on, but he's not been playing all that well either. 6. OBJ is not good enough. At his best, he's average. Demanding top of the market pay when you're not very good is a bad look. 7. 68 passes? Yeesh. Our inability to run the ball has got to be fixed. You can't do that every game. You just can't. I know Wylie can't run block either, but I don't understand why the other four just cannot open holes when that's supposed to be each of their strong suit. 8. The Titans are what they always are; they're a problem. They're tough, they're physical, they're well coached. You can hate Vrabel if you want, but he always has his guys ready to play hard for him. That was a VERY disciplined defense. I didn't see anything all that fancy happening coverage-wise. They just executed. They're going to be back in the play-offs again. 9. Butker. What's up with that? Dooooooood. 10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.
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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $164644	Didn't know this but we had the most drops of any team this year in this game.
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	One quick add on to this thread: there is a lot of blame flying at individual chiefs here, but the other team gets paid too. The titans Dline is crazy deep and good. Their linebackers played incredibly and their secondary was in receivers' pockets all night. For all the hype about the chiefs playing the best defenses in weeks prior, this was the best defense they have played. I tip the cap to Vrabel and the titans. Literally the 90s chiefs.
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