Royals Grienke to BREWERS - Page 11

kstater · 12-19-2010, 07:02 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5935586

Former Cy Young Award winner Zack Greinke has been traded to the Milwaukee Brewers, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Sunday morning.
In the deal, the Brewers would reportedly send the Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain, shortstop Alcides Escobar and prospect pitchers Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress for Greinke, 10-14 with a 4.17 ERA in 2010 with the Royals after winning the 2009 Cy Young.
The Brewers were expected to receive another major leaguer in the deal. Jim Breem of the blog "Bernie's Crew" reported that player to be shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt.

**doomy3** · 12-19-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

The deal is now complete. Jeffress has now been named as the PTBNL and has been told that he's been traded to KC.

I like Jeffress in this deal. I actually think he gives us the flexibility to move Soria now. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jeffress becomes the closer and we get a positional player and a starter for Soria.

**alnorth** · 12-19-2010, 01:22 PM

We've got an awful lot of outfielders for 2011.

Gordon, Frenchy, Cain, Maier, Blanco, etc

**alnorth** · 12-19-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I like Jeffress in this deal. I actually think he gives us the flexibility to move Soria now. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jeffress becomes the closer and we get a positional player and a starter for Soria.

Soria is going nowhere. He's locked up to an extremely club-friendly deal for what almost looks like forever. (2014?) He also believes in the minor leagues and wants to be here for 2012.

ChiefsCountry · 12-19-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

We've got an awful lot of outfielders for 2011.

Gordon, Frenchy, Cain, Maier, Blanco, etc

You forgot Milkey.

Lex Luthor · 12-19-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Soria is going nowhere. He's locked up to an extremely club-friendly deal for what almost looks like forever. (2014?) He also believes in the minor leagues and wants to be here for 2012.

Exactly. That's the major difference between Soria and Greinke, and why Soria is so much more valuable to this team.

duncan_idaho · 12-19-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

We've got an awful lot of outfielders for 2011.

Gordon, Frenchy, Cain, Maier, Blanco, etc

I think the Mitch Maier experiment is over. His below-average ass will be out of baseball shortly.

**alnorth** · 12-19-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

Exactly. That's the major difference between Soria and Greinke, and why Soria is so much more valuable to this team.

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chiefsnorth · 12-19-2010, 01:27 PM

Royals' Greinke trade is a smart move
Ken Rosenthal, Fox Sports

Royals GM Dayton Moore got his wish: A shortstop, a center fielder, and at least one young pitcher who could help replace ace right-hander Zack Greinke.

The question is whether Moore could have acquired players with greater upside for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt.

But the entire industry knew the Royals had to trade Greinke, putting Moore in a difficult spot. He did not acquire an anchor, one rival exec said, but landed four good assets.

The Royals, sitting on perhaps the game’s deepest farm system, finally are close to a breakthrough.

The players they will receive — shortstop Alcides Escobar, center fielder Lorenzo Cain, right-hander Jake Odorizzi and a player to be named — are intended to complement the young talent already in place.

By 2012, the Royals could be a force in the AL Central, and don’t rule out the importance of the money they will save in this deal — $15.5 million this season and $13.5 million the next.

The Royals are a low-revenue club. They will never spend like the Yankees, Red Sox or even the Tigers. But suddenly, they have stunning financial flexibility — not a single player under long-term contract in '12.

By then, some of their ballyhooed left-handed pitching prospects will be in the major-league rotation and their infield could have a completely different look.

At first base: Eric Hosmer, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2008 draft.

At second: Cristian Colon, the No. 4 overall pick in 2010.

At short: Escobar.

At third: Mike Moustakas, the No. 2 overall pick in 2007.

Escobar might never be more than a No. 8 or No. 9 hitter, but his defense should be a tremendous asset, particularly given Moustakas’ limited range at third.

Colon was drafted as a shortstop, but his range profiles better at second and the Royals believe he could develop into a player similar to Placido Polanco.

The Royals’ outfield is less set, which is why Moore so badly wanted Cain as part of the Greinke package.

Cain, who turns 25 on April 13, has a lengthy injury history and limited major-league experience but shows immense promise. The Royals believe that Cain, like Escobar, will improve offensively. But at worst, both will provide strong up-the-middle defense, which is vital behind a young pitching staff.

Odorizzi, 20, was the 32nd overall pick in 2008 and perhaps the Brewers best pitching prospect. He has yet to pitch above Class A but could develop into a No. 2 or 3 starter or power reliever, adding to the Royals’ powerful stable of young arms.

Right-hander Jeremy Jeffress, 23, could be the player to be named. He has tested positive three times for marijuana, according to published reports, but seemed to turn around his career last season, finally surfacing in the majors as a reliever.

Would the Royals be better with Greinke? Of course. But Greinke was not going to be with them beyond 2012.

The Royals, moving forward, should be just fine without him.

**DeezNutz** · 12-19-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I like Jeffress in this deal. I actually think he gives us the flexibility to move Soria now. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jeffress becomes the closer and we get a positional player and a starter for Soria.

A player who is one strike away from being out of baseball? I sincerely hope not.

Jimhoopie · 12-19-2010, 01:28 PM

This is another payroll trade no matter how they try to spin it.

**alnorth** · 12-19-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

A player who is one strike away from being out of baseball? I sincerely hope not.

Again, he is not a strike away. He's not under the MiLB testing system any more, and MLB doesnt care as much about MJ.

**alnorth** · 12-19-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimhoopie

This is another payroll trade no matter how they try to spin it.

No, its not. You are ignorant if you think this is about money.

**doomy3** · 12-19-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

A player who is one strike away from being out of baseball? I sincerely hope not.

I don't think MLB even tests for weed. Could be wrong, but I think that is a MiLB thing only.

**DeezNutz** · 12-19-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Again, he is not a strike away. He's not under the MiLB testing system any more, and MLB doesnt care as much about MJ.

My fault.

Smoke it if you got it.

duncan_idaho · 12-19-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

A player who is one strike away from being out of baseball? I sincerely hope not.

He's one strike away from being removed from MiLB. MLB does not test for marijuana. That's why the Brewers added him to the 40-man to begin with.

And to the guy calling this a payroll trade... that's ridiculous.

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chiefsnorth Veteran Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	Royals' Greinke trade is a smart move Ken Rosenthal, Fox Sports Royals GM Dayton Moore got his wish: A shortstop, a center fielder, and at least one young pitcher who could help replace ace right-hander Zack Greinke. The question is whether Moore could have acquired players with greater upside for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt. But the entire industry knew the Royals had to trade Greinke, putting Moore in a difficult spot. He did not acquire an anchor, one rival exec said, but landed four good assets. The Royals, sitting on perhaps the game’s deepest farm system, finally are close to a breakthrough. The players they will receive — shortstop Alcides Escobar, center fielder Lorenzo Cain, right-hander Jake Odorizzi and a player to be named — are intended to complement the young talent already in place. By 2012, the Royals could be a force in the AL Central, and don’t rule out the importance of the money they will save in this deal — $15.5 million this season and $13.5 million the next. The Royals are a low-revenue club. They will never spend like the Yankees, Red Sox or even the Tigers. But suddenly, they have stunning financial flexibility — not a single player under long-term contract in '12. By then, some of their ballyhooed left-handed pitching prospects will be in the major-league rotation and their infield could have a completely different look. At first base: Eric Hosmer, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2008 draft. At second: Cristian Colon, the No. 4 overall pick in 2010. At short: Escobar. At third: Mike Moustakas, the No. 2 overall pick in 2007. Escobar might never be more than a No. 8 or No. 9 hitter, but his defense should be a tremendous asset, particularly given Moustakas’ limited range at third. Colon was drafted as a shortstop, but his range profiles better at second and the Royals believe he could develop into a player similar to Placido Polanco. The Royals’ outfield is less set, which is why Moore so badly wanted Cain as part of the Greinke package. Cain, who turns 25 on April 13, has a lengthy injury history and limited major-league experience but shows immense promise. The Royals believe that Cain, like Escobar, will improve offensively. But at worst, both will provide strong up-the-middle defense, which is vital behind a young pitching staff. Odorizzi, 20, was the 32nd overall pick in 2008 and perhaps the Brewers best pitching prospect. He has yet to pitch above Class A but could develop into a No. 2 or 3 starter or power reliever, adding to the Royals’ powerful stable of young arms. Right-hander Jeremy Jeffress, 23, could be the player to be named. He has tested positive three times for marijuana, according to published reports, but seemed to turn around his career last season, finally surfacing in the majors as a reliever. Would the Royals be better with Greinke? Of course. But Greinke was not going to be with them beyond 2012. The Royals, moving forward, should be just fine without him.
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