Reaction to Marcus smart shoving a fan

[chiefzilla1501]

Http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=10426105

Just curious... If the fan called Smart a racial slur, was he justified for shoving the fan.

I think its an interesting debate about where the line should be drawn for fans to get away with jawing at players. Let's first see if there's any truth to this. My personal opinion is that sports should have leeway for fan behavior, but there's a line that fans too often cross.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The fallacy with your argument is you don't consider te logical outcome of Smart retaliating. He would get beaten (if not worse) instantly by a mob of people if he'd had beaten the guy. I doubt you or Hamas considered what's likely to occur.

I don't think his intention was to beat the guy. Most people who have that intention, usually don't start with a shove. Now, of course, my reaction would be a little different if he went in there throwing blows. He didn't he shoved the guy, and really didn't fight with his teammates who were pulling him away.

lets keep some perspective on it.

[Cannibal]

I wish he'd have knocked that fat old **** right the **** out.

[Bearcat]

So, this is the conference realignment thread of the Smart discussion...

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I would take him at his word on that account.

Just seems odd that nobody else has come forward to corroborate Smart's accusation. There were people all around and when Smart reacted he wasn't right next to the guy. It just seems to me that a 19 year old kid who just realized he did something embarrassing would have a pretty big incentive to exaggerate the situation in an attempt to save a little face.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

When I lived in Chicago, I would sometimes be a couple days to a week late on my rent, especially if I had been travelling out of town. My landlord would send two Thug Greek guys to collect at my door. They would wait until I could find my checkbook.

Thug is a term without color. It's who a person is, not what a person's skin looks like.

If I recall it started with Sherman from the Seahawks stating people calling him a thug was just them calling him a ****er or something to that effect. Couldn't it be just someone mislabeling another. Like when someone calls someone else an asshole when they cut them off in traffic. I am guessing a lot of times they are probably pretty nice people. Just did something stupid while driving. God knows I have.

[KC_Connection]

Call me a pacifist, but for me, on a broader level, I don't think people should be able to attack others solely on the basis of insults (even awful racist ones). Sets a horrible precedent to follow. There has to be some limit in response there. But does that doesn't mean Smart and others should have to just sit there and take this kind of abuse from fans either. There also needs to be some accountability in these situations.

Smart will get suspended (and perhaps rightfully so), but I don't look down on him in the slightest for what he did. It looks like this guy deserved what he got and is lucky it wasn't more.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Smart is a stupid N word. No one denys it.

This isn't cool. It's the very same thing as just saying it. Please don't do it again.

I realize one of your best friends is black and that's great but it's not acceptable here. The only redeeming thing that has come from it is a civil discussion so hopefully people will excuse the slur and learn something from the discussion as they read through this thread.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Phobia

This isn't cool. It's the very same thing as just saying it. Please don't do it again.

I realize one of your best friends is black and that's great but it's not acceptable here. The only redeeming thing that has come from it is a civil discussion so hopefully people will excuse the slur and learn something from the discussion as they read through this thread.

I agree. It's been a pretty reasonable discussion. I appreciate the mods not intervening...........

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Just seems odd that nobody else has come forward to corroborate Smart's accusation. There were people all around and when Smart reacted he wasn't right next to the guy. It just seems to me that a 19 year old kid who just realized he did something embarrassing would have a pretty big incentive to exaggerate the situation in an attempt to save a little face.

Well these are Texas Tech fans. Some of the worst people on earth.

[TLO]

Being around Smart's age, I understand someone losing their cool, and doing something they later regret. I'm not black, but if I were, I imagine I probably would react somewhat similar if my adrenaline was already pumping and someone threw out a racial slur.

That being said, what he did was wrong. The end.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Well these are Texas Tech fans. Some of the worst people on earth.

THAT is a fact. Ever been to a night football game there? I have, and will never ever do that again.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Well these are Texas Tech fans. Some of the worst people on earth.

Nobody has come out to deny it either at this point. So that really doesn't mean anything.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Call me a pacifist, but for me, on a broader level, I don't think people should be able to attack others solely on the basis of insults (even awful racist ones). Sets a horrible precedent to follow. There has to be some limit in response there. But does that doesn't mean Smart and others should have to just sit there and take this kind of abuse from fans either. There also needs to be some accountability in these situations.

Smart will get suspended (and perhaps rightfully so), but I don't look down on him in the slightest for what he did. It looks like this guy deserved what he got and is lucky it wasn't more.

If I'm the coach, I absolutely stick up for him.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Call me a pacifist, but for me, on a broader level, I don't think people should be able to attack others solely on the basis of insults (even awful racist ones). Sets a horrible precedent to follow. There has to be some limit in response there. But does that doesn't mean Smart and others should have to just sit there and take this kind of abuse from fans either. There also needs to be some accountability in these situations.

Smart will get suspended (and perhaps rightfully so), but I don't look down on him in the slightest for what he did. It looks like this guy deserved what he got and is lucky it wasn't more.

Strongly agree.

[GloryDayz]

The world has become too sensitive IMO. I'm not sure what was said, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say I doubt the old guy was "cheering on his team." If he was talking shit to the player, and athlete, meh, it's all good. Far too many people say "fighting is never the answer" then welcome home our troops. Not that they're the same thing (please don't preach to me!!), but it's pretty clear that sometime physical combat is at least one of the options available to some being heckled and hecklers need to talk shit with that in mind.

So yeah, Smart crossed some modern-day line, but I'm OK with that line getting moved back/returning to something closer to where it used to be and hecklers only heckle to the extent they can back it up.

It'll be interesting to see if the press is cool enough to focus in on the fat-ass heckler and see is he keeps trash talking high-end athletes. I know I'd love to have him near me at an event, I'd heckle (him) like a remind him what kind of son his father raised.