Chiefs Congratz Dorsey, you suck. - Page 11

Mr. Laz · 09-07-2014, 02:56 PM

You inherited a team that was a decent HC and QB away from being a playoff level team.

Reid arrived, wanted his QB and we made the playoffs.

It's been downhill ever since.

FA Losses: T Branden Albert, G Jon Asamoah, S Quintin Demps, DE Tyson Jackson, ILB Akeem Jordan, RB/WR Dexter McCluster, DT Jerrell Powe, G Geoff Schwartz, FS Kendrick Lewis.

We missed Albert at LT. Even though Fisher's play improved today, we still have no OT depth and were shredded at RT.

We missed Asamoah and Schwartz at guard. They might not be great but they are better than the scrubs you added off the street.

We missed McCluster in the slot, we had nothing but Avery today.

We missed Tyson Jackson, run defense along Dline was terrible.

You even made us miss Kendrick Lewis and Quentin Demps. Lewis was dog crap, but he's better than the nothing we have at backup safety now.

We missed Flowers whom you cut for money and didn't add anyone

We missed average Succop whom you cut for money.

You acted like it didn't matter who we lost because Reid/Smith were like Belichek /Brady and they would just find some way to win. They aren't.

Your drafts have been borderline terrible.

A steaming pile of shit is what you've built.

Congratz on your pending run to the 1st pick of the draft next year.

Oh, something else ...... **** you.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-01-2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

We (fans) didn't set the ultimatum to win now. John Dorsey set that expectation by trading for Alex Smith. That's not a "win in the future" move. That's a win-now move.

After the Pioli ousting, I disagree that another three year losing rebuild was an option. We've quietly rebuilt this team without the pain of watching a complete shit show. Let's not act like Cp wouldn't be in the same state of pissiness if we chose to dismantle this team.

ToxSocks · 12-01-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Ron ****ing Parker can die in an aids tree inferno. I award you zero points and May God have mercy on your soul.

People got what they wanted.

Berry is gone and Parker is taking his place.

Happy now, CP?

Discuss Thrower · 12-01-2014, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

We (fans) didn't set the ultimatum to win now. John Dorsey set that expectation by trading for Alex Smith. That's not a "win in the future" move. That's a win-now move.

The issues with signing players comes down to a willingness to use big signing bonuses to "game" the salary cap. Teams like Denver are willing to do that. The Chiefs have never shown a willingness to do that, under any of the GMs in the salary cap era (MAYBE you can count the McGlockton signing under Peterson in 98 or whatever it was, but that's really it). Owner has to be willing to sign those checks...

The worst part about the win now move in trading for Smith is that they gave him a Cutler esque contract that removes any possibility of improving both facets of the team in free agency.

ThaVirus · 12-01-2014, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Ron ****ing Parker can die in an aids tree inferno. I award you zero points and May God have mercy on your soul.

I could only laugh at his ill-timed jump that ended in a completely blown opportunity. That and the out Gaines stepped in front of were ****ing Christmas gifts from Manning.

We didn't capitalize on either one.

RunKC · 12-01-2014, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Gaines is certainly developing nicely (though he's only the second-best rookie CB named Gaines in the NFL). I wasn't specifically saying "They should have taken Moncrief instead of Gaines"... just that there was a significant drop-off in WR talent after Moncrief went off the board in round 3.

The Chiefs likely could have gotten Gaines in Round 4 (as he was rated a Round 5 guy by many) or traded up to get him if necessary... but the better move would have been drafting Kelvin Benjamin or Jordan Matthews instead of waste-of-sperm Dee Ford in round 1.

Bottom line... they had two picks with which they could have addressed the most glaring need on the team, but did not. That's a major failing.

Idk man Gaines was one of the best players at the combine. He had the 2nd best 3 cone of any DB and was top 5. With his long arms and confidence, I couldn't see him lasting to round 4.

I think you will see Dee Ford's value next season. Tamba looks slower and is wearing down. He can't last late in the season anymore. The guy will be lucky to get 8 sacks. I just don't see how we bring him back.
Ford has time to learn the game and go through his technique while getting even stronger.
Dorsey drafted this guy rd 1. He has the benefit of having the best Paas rusher taking all the attention as well as a very nice pass rushing DL.

$9 million is too much for an old worn down Tamba. Love the guy but it's time.

ToxSocks · 12-01-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I could only laugh at his ill-timed jump that ended in a completely blown opportunity. That and the out Gaines stepped in front of were ****ing Christmas gifts from Manning.

We didn't capitalize on either one.

Or all the many missed tackles from Parker where he completely whiffed. Not aggressive tackling the ball carrier at all. Everytime i saw him, i couldn't help but to think that Berry would've made that play as he's done so many times in the past.

So i ask again, now that CP got its wish and Berry is gone with Parker starting in his place, are you happy?

RunKC · 12-01-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

People got what they wanted.

Berry is gone and Parker is taking his place.

Happy now, CP?

Parker isn't terrible. Sure he didn't make the catch, but I'm thankful he at least was there oon position instead of not knowing where he is like Kendrick Lewis.

ToxSocks · 12-01-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Parker isn't terrible. Sure he didn't make the catch, but I'm thankful he at least was there oon position instead of not knowing where he is like Kendrick Lewis.

He's a JAG. A Jag that played well...but then reminded us he's a jag

Chiefnj2 · 12-01-2014, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Dorsey is one of the only reasons we are as god as we are.

Ron Parker
Jaye Howard
Phillip Gaines
Husain Abdullah
Travis Kelce
Knile Davis
DAT

All these guys look like good players. Sure it's his fault that he didn't use our first rd pick to contribute this year, but Andy is the one who wanted Alex and cost us 2 2nd rd picks.

Dorsey has proven that he's able to bring in quality talent
Even without resources.

I fully expect us to bolster the OL and WR corps next year. Defense needs an ILB and one more run stuffer.

It really depends on if you are a glass half full or half empty type of person. I look at Dorsey as someone who virtually ignored the OL and WRs and ILB.

I agree Davis, Kelce and at this point Gaines look good, but the other guys IMHO are just "guys" at this point.

RunKC · 12-01-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It really depends on if you are a glass half full or half empty type of person. I look at Dorsey as someone who virtually ignored the OL and WRs and ILB.

I agree Davis, Kelce and at this point Gaines look good, but the other guys IMHO are just "guys" at this point.

I think DAT is more than a JAG. He was a great value for where he was taken.

I feel like Dorsey had no choice with the cap being so tight. You can't expect him to make this roster look good with no money and no picks.
What would this roster look like if he had both his 2nd rd picks?

This spring is the draft that needs to be the foundation. We can nab 4 quality players with all of our early picks.

Discuss Thrower · 12-01-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I think DAT is more than a JAG. He was a great value for where he was taken.

I feel like Dorsey had no choice with the cap being so tight. You can't expect him to make this roster look good with no money and no picks.
What would this roster look like if he had both his 2nd rd picks?

This spring is the draft that needs to be the foundation. We can nab 4 quality players with all of our early picks.

Chiefs have $20 million in space...

duncan_idaho · 12-01-2014, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Idk man Gaines was one of the best players at the combine. He had the 2nd best 3 cone of any DB and was top 5. With his long arms and confidence, I couldn't see him lasting to round 4.

I think you will see Dee Ford's value next season. Tamba looks slower and is wearing down. He can't last late in the season anymore. The guy will be lucky to get 8 sacks. I just don't see how we bring him back.
Ford has time to learn the game and go through his technique while getting even stronger.
Dorsey drafted this guy rd 1. He has the benefit of having the best Paas rusher taking all the attention as well as a very nice pass rushing DL.

$9 million is too much for an old worn down Tamba. Love the guy but it's time.

I don't have any issue with acquiring a young backup/heir apparent for Tamba Hali.

I do have an issue when the guy acquired is so bad, he doesn't even see the field as a rookie and is expected to play next year and replace Tamba.

As we have seen with Fisher, counting on a guy to improve his technique and getting stronger is no sure thing. I'm not excited to be doing it again, with another first round pick.

A rush end taken in the first round should be able to contribute SOMETHING in Year 1 (other than on special teams or a hilarious/sad clip that goes viral because he runs away from a RB).

As for Gaines... again, I'm not saying taking him was a mistake. (Mistake: Not drafting a WR with ONE of those two picks)

Regarding waiting on him... it would have been risky, but it could have worked out. Gaines is definitely a physical freak and his stock was rising, but he lasted until the second half of the third. It's not inconceivable he would have lasted until the 4th, and between projections almost all having him in rounds 4-5 and the general surprise expressed when he was drafted (awful lot of "reach" comments), it might have worked out.

And if it didn't... there were a lot of quality corners on the board after that pick, but no real quality receivers.

Mr. Laz · 12-01-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We are significantly better on the D-line and the secondary. We are one really good receiver away from having a lot of excellent receiving options. We have 3 excellent backs. We have an improved QB. Could not have anticipated devastating injuries this year.

WR1, 1 or 2 new o-linemen at minimum. Get our players healthy again. This team isn't that far away. The only issue is that this team will go as far as Reid and Alex Smith go.

You mean our Dline that just gave up 200+ yards rushing?

a Dline so bad at stopping the run that Manning didn't feel the need to throw the ball?

excuses

we needed that same WR/OL all of last offseason

Injuries? I think Dorsey had assembled a team with great depth?

excuses

chiefzilla1501 · 12-01-2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

You mean our Dline that just gave up 200+ yards rushing?

a Dline so bad at stopping the run that Manning didn't feel the need to throw the ball?

excuses

we needed that same WR/OL all of last offseason

Injuries? I think Dorsey had assembled a team with great depth?

excuses

Our dline isn't the issue. Our inside lbs are terrible and Mauga was consistently attacking the wrong gaps. Without berry, our safety run support is terrible. With Sutton as our d coordinator, he has got to be better at his rotations. The lineup of bailey, vickerson, and Poe is miles better than rotations we've had. Even depth guys like Howard are better than anything we've had in a while.

Get some thumpers at safety and both ilbs. Problem solved. Both of those problems are helped tremendously with a healthy dj and hopefully a healthy berry.

Hootie · 12-01-2014, 11:56 AM

I'm still impressed we're 7-5 this year, but very unimpressed with our last two weeks

Still, I think the intentions were to get this team competing for 2015 so ...

09-07-2014, 02:56 PM
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Congratz Dorsey, you suck. You inherited a team that was a decent HC and QB away from being a playoff level team. Reid arrived, wanted his QB and we made the playoffs. It's been downhill ever since. FA Losses: T Branden Albert, G Jon Asamoah, S Quintin Demps, DE Tyson Jackson, ILB Akeem Jordan, RB/WR Dexter McCluster, DT Jerrell Powe, G Geoff Schwartz, FS Kendrick Lewis. We missed Albert at LT. Even though Fisher's play improved today, we still have no OT depth and were shredded at RT. We missed Asamoah and Schwartz at guard. They might not be great but they are better than the scrubs you added off the street. We missed McCluster in the slot, we had nothing but Avery today. We missed Tyson Jackson, run defense along Dline was terrible. You even made us miss Kendrick Lewis and Quentin Demps. Lewis was dog crap, but he's better than the nothing we have at backup safety now. We missed Flowers whom you cut for money and didn't add anyone We missed average Succop whom you cut for money. You acted like it didn't matter who we lost because Reid/Smith were like Belichek /Brady and they would just find some way to win. They aren't. Your drafts have been borderline terrible. A steaming pile of shit is what you've built. Congratz on your pending run to the 1st pick of the draft next year. Oh, something else ...... **** you.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I'm still impressed we're 7-5 this year, but very unimpressed with our last two weeks Still, I think the intentions were to get this team competing for 2015 so ...
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