Chiefs What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2 - Page 11

dlphg9 · 02-17-2021, 05:43 AM

Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918

This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

****ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

****ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.

staylor26 · 07-28-2021, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Soren Petro is trying to run Hardman out of town.

"The guy doesn't get it!! Andy, Andy, what do you think of Mecole not working out with Mahomes!"

He is still ranting over a play Mahomes told him to come back for the ball-lol

Mecole caught a deep TD today in camp- so, I think he will be fine.

He’s a ****ing idiot.

Halfcan · 07-28-2021, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26

He’s a ****ing idiot.

This. He loves to find 1 guy and just rail on him endlessly while getting himself all worked up. He makes Mecole out to be dumber than D Bowe.

staylor26 · 07-28-2021, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

This. He loves to find 1 guy and just rail on him endlessly while getting himself all worked up. He makes Mecole out to be dumber than D Bowe.

Sounds like he, like a lot of people, doesn’t understand how raw Mecole was coming out of college. He hasn’t even been playing WR for more than a few years, and Andy Reid’s offense has a reputation of being difficult to learn for WRs. Not everybody is Tyreek Hill.

Halfcan · 07-28-2021, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26

Sounds like he, like a lot of people, doesn’t understand how raw Mecole was coming out of college. He hasn’t even been playing WR for more than a few years, and Andy Reid’s offense has a reputation of being difficult to learn for WRs. Not everybody is Tyreek Hill.

Soren hated on Reek too- especially with the legal trouble. Now, he is trying to hold Mecole to that standard.

Hardman just needs to be John Taylor- we already have our Jerry Rice.

OKchiefs · 07-28-2021, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Soren Petro is trying to run Hardman out of town.

"The guy doesn't get it!! Andy, Andy, what do you think of Mecole not working out with Mahomes!"

He is still ranting over a play Mahomes told him to come back for the ball-lol

Mecole caught a deep TD today in camp- so, I think he will be fine.

Probably not the thing to get worked up, training with Mahomes in the offseason probably won't make or break his season.

But him catching a deep ball from Mahomes means nothing, he's been able to run go routes from day 1 on pure speed and athleticism alone. I'll hold my judgement until I see any semblance of being able to run a route tree.

Chris Meck · 07-29-2021, 09:16 AM

raw coming out of college, but plus-plus speed.

year one, some big plays, limited route tree, limited snaps.

year two, no training camp, weird covid year.

I'm not overly concerned. I expect Hardman takes a natural progression forward.

Hoover · 07-29-2021, 09:25 AM

I also think he will be helped by Andy and Co knowing that they will need to game plan for him more now that Sammy Watkins is out of the picture.

Everyone acted like Hardman should have emerged as a star in year two, but I really think this is the time for him to step up and show what he's got.

OKchiefs · 08-15-2021, 10:06 PM

Limited sample size to be sure, but apparently Robinson was lined up across from Hill in 2WR sets and Hardman only came on as WR3.

rabblerouser · 08-15-2021, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

King isn't exactly wrong with saying Mecole has been Andy's "gadget" receiver, and there is nothing wrong with that when you've got Tyreek, Kelce and a healthy Watkins out there. And even when Watkins wasn't out there, Robinson played Watkins' role because Mecole was good at what he did in this offense, and there was nothing wrong with that either.

Things may very well change this season for him, and by the sound of Nate Taylor's comments they will. As long as Mecole can run the routes for the X and be 80% the blocker Sammy is, he might be the guy. We'll see.

I like Fortson.

rabblerouser · 08-16-2021, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Limited sample size to be sure, but apparently Robinson was lined up across from Hill in 2WR sets and Hardman only came on as WR3.

1. Robinson has more experience than Hardman

AND

2. Robinson and Mahomes have had a natural chemistry together since 2017, and I think that's a big part of why Robinson is still around.

rabblerouser · 08-16-2021, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You'd "hope for more" than a Pro Bowl and 10 TD's from a late second round pick through two seasons, including a pandemic season?

Welcome to the 'Planet, Dipshit.

I remember some straight BUSTS at WR, like Sly Morris and Jonathon Baldwin.

Apparently, someone named Anthony Hancock was drafted at 11 overall in 1982.

Dunerdr · 08-16-2021, 06:15 AM

I'm not sweating it, Hardman has a very specific skill set that just happens to be the same one our WR1 has, he wont be on the field every single play. And if you expect him to be youre expecting him to have transformed into some one hes not. He will see more action but not every situation calls for two sub 4.3 guys. I do expect as the season goes on he will see the field more and more. But i dont expect to see much from him in preseason.

KChiefs1 · 08-16-2021, 06:22 AM

Gadget player…nothing more, nothing less.

Deberg_1990 · 08-16-2021, 06:29 AM

He will be fine.

700 yards, 8 TDs this season.

Dante84 · 08-16-2021, 07:32 AM

Jet sweep ACE

02-17-2021, 05:43 AM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1500347	What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2 Spoiler alert! Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem. Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy. Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds Top 2 options Targets - 212 Rec - 148 Yards - 2064 Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds Top 2 options Targets - 273 Rec - 209 Yards - 2502 Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds Top 2 options Targets - 193 Rec - 135 Yards - 1846 Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds Top 2 options Targets - 198 Rec - 135 Yards - 2059 New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds Top 2 options Targets - 189 Rec - 144 Yards - 1482 Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds Top 2 options Targets - 188 Rec - 116 Yards - 1470 Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds Top 2 options Targets - 261 Rec - 183 Yards - 2357 Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds Top 2 options Targets - 164 Rec - 99 Yards - 1391 Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds Top 2 options Targets - 227 Rec - 155 Yards - 2092 Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option : Targets - 62 Receptions - 41 Yards - 530 Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined : Targets - 212 Receptions - 147 Yards - 1918 This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option Targets - 62 (62 avg) Receptions - 41 (41 avg) Yards - 560 (530 avg) Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined Targets - 280 (most in group) Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group) Yards - 2692 (most in group) So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats. TLDR; Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time. PS: Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs. PSS: **ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games! PSSS: **ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1235090	raw coming out of college, but plus-plus speed. year one, some big plays, limited route tree, limited snaps. year two, no training camp, weird covid year. I'm not overly concerned. I expect Hardman takes a natural progression forward.
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Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $-2730000	I'm not sweating it, Hardman has a very specific skill set that just happens to be the same one our WR1 has, he wont be on the field every single play. And if you expect him to be youre expecting him to have transformed into some one hes not. He will see more action but not every situation calls for two sub 4.3 guys. I do expect as the season goes on he will see the field more and more. But i dont expect to see much from him in preseason. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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