Offsides reality

[tredadda]

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by mabbott

This view shows from the direct side and he is not horribly offside.

The next picture shows the very next play of the bills being offsides... same side, same official, no call...

The third picture shows the same toney "offsides" where the bills are also offsides... why is only one offsides when both players are in the nuetral zone?

Did you look at the pictures you posted? They don’t show what you say they do.

[Mephistopheles Janx]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

The original clip is posted somewhere in here, but I don't have time to run it down. This is an edited version of it, but you'll get the idea:

I'm guessing that mother ****er is just as done with us as we are with him.

The man has Zeus himself chucking lightning bolts and he is still a below pedestrian receiver. I get that WRs often have that fighter pilot mentality but this is a man that should understand that he should actually be flying "a plane full of rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong".

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx

100%.

"Football is a game of inches". - Vince Lombardi Jr.

Him being 6 inches over the line matters.

6 inches?

My brother in Christ, he was nearly a full yard over. He should be lined up where Rice is.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

No… Miller was behind the ball. That’s how far offsides Toney was. The only part of Toney not behind the ball was his back foot. He was literally helmet to helmet with Von Miller who is behind the ball

Toney had his toe on the hash which was the line of scrimmage so while he was offsides it looks worse then it really was.

[Hammock Parties]

The Chiefs still had 3 plays to get it right, but couldn't focus on the task at hand because they were too busy ****ing whining.

The ballad of the losers, and lose we did.

There are several reasons, and I go through them here, the game was over after the TD was called back. Even though the #chiefs ran 3 more plays after it, the game was over the minute that play was called back. My perspective from the sideline at Arrowhead on The Insiders pic.twitter.com/5envqgl6uB

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) December 11, 2023

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by philfree

Toney had his toe on the hash which was the line of scrimmage so while he was offsides it looks worse then it really was.

Did you not see the overhead angle?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Jesus Christ. What an embarrassing lack of focus.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx

I'm guessing that mother ****er is just as done with us as we are with him.

The man has Zeus himself chucking lightning bolts and he is still a below pedestrian receiver. I get that WRs often have that fighter pilot mentality but this is a man that should understand that he should actually be flying "a plane full of rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong".

Players like him are why repeating as SB Champions is so hard. They get complacent after getting a ring and lose the fire. It’s also why Mahomes and Kelce are some of the greatest ever at their positions. They still have the fire. It’s also a trait that Brady (as much as I hate acknowledging it) had his whole career.

[C-Mac]

I really would like to see literally where the ball was placed by the ref, because Creed seems to always tip the ball up and back pre-snap.
It also appears that Toneys back foot is pretty much in line with Creeds.
It says its on the 49 on the score board and if so, Toney front foot is on the 49, which is very close to not being off sides.
Another note is the defensive line appears to see the LOS is the 49, not 49 1/2.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Jesus Christ. What an embarrassing lack of focus.

I've never been ashamed of Reid or his players until now.

This is Gunther-era embarrassment.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by C-Mac

I really would like to see literally where the ball was placed by the ref, because Creed seems to always tip the ball up and back pre-snap.
It also appears that Toneys back foot is pretty much in line with Creeds.
It says its on the 49 on the score board and if so, Toney front foot is on the 49, which is very close to not being off sides.

[mabbott]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Did you look at the pictures you posted? They don’t show what you say they do.

Did you look at the pictures? Or are you arguing semantics?

The first picture showed his foot in the neutral zone.

The second picture showed Miller in the neutral zone.

The third picture showed both in the neutral zone.

Please explain what you feel I missed.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Did you not see the overhead angle?

I guess not but I see the one where his foot is on the LOS, on the hash mark. He was offsides but there's no need to exaggerate how much about it.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I've never been ashamed of Reid or his players until now.

This is Gunther-era embarrassment.

I'm not ready to go that far - but for sure it's not a great look.

But does explain what appears to be a lack of accountability in the room.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Did everyone see the overhead angle? There is no disputing this. Toney is so far over