Chiefs Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate - Page 114

Dante84 · 02-08-2021, 10:03 AM

In order to prevent us wasting precious years of Patrick Mahomes' career, Veach needs to work some magic this offseason. What's your advice for him?

kccrow · 02-23-2021, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dull Tools

Does anyone think we could be aggressive and trade up to get a top edge rusher or OT? Hearing lots of talk that teams are wanting to trade down to stock up on future draft picks.

Is there anyone worth doing it for?

The team that trades down rarely wins the trade. If a team is discounting just to acquire picks, count me in on trading up for the right guy at the right price.

Chief Northman · 02-23-2021, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Hmmm... I don't think so.

Christian Barmore, Daviyon Nixon, and Levi Onwuzurike are all very intriguing prospects at DT and any or all could go in round 1.

This edge class is light years better than last year's class. None are as complete a player as Chase Young and Joey Bosa were the past two years but the next 5 or 6 are better prospects than we've seen equivocally in that same span.

I would be pumped if we ended up with Barmore or Onwuzurike.

Jones can be cut with zero dead money and $22 million in cap space in both 2022 and 2023. Would not be shocked if Veach insulates that position right away.

kccrow · 02-24-2021, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman

I would be pumped if we ended up with Barmore or Onwuzurike.

Jones can be cut with zero dead money and $22 million in cap space in both 2022 and 2023. Would not be shocked if Veach insulates that position right away.

I don't think I could pass on Barmore. There'd have to be another major talent that falls that is of greater need. Barmore is a beast that really should go top 15. Minnesota at 14 seems most likely unless they trade down for a 2nd rounder.

I mean we're talking players like Micah Parsons, Jaycee Horn, Kwity Paye, and Christian Darrisaw as the type I'd have to see fall in order to say the Chiefs should not take Barmore. What he did from the nose this year was as good as it gets.

Wilson8 · 02-24-2021, 03:17 AM

PFF recently had a story on their top 200 free agents along with what they think it will take to sign them. - https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-fr...00-free-agents

With PFF you always have to form your own opinion, but it is interesting and shows how expensive many of the free agents will be.

Wilson8 · 02-24-2021, 03:17 AM

Some of the WRs
WR Chris Godwin – PFF Franchise Tag
WR Allen Robinson II – PFF Franchise Tag
WR Kenny Golladay – PFF Franchise Tag
WR Will Fuller – PFF Franchise Tag
WR Ju Ju Smith-Schuster PFF 4 years $68 million ($35 million guaranteed)
WR Corey Davis - PFF 4 years $65 million ($32 million guaranteed)
WR Antonio Brown - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed + $2 million incentives)
WR Ty Hilton - PFF 3 years $28.5 million ($18 million guaranteed)
WR Curtis Samuel - PFF 3 years $25 million ($15 million guaranteed)
WR Marvin Jones JR. - PFF 3 years $27 million ($16.5 million guaranteed)
WR Nelson Agholor - PFF 2 years $15 million ($9 million guaranteed)
WR Sammy Watkins - PFF 3 years $30 million ($21 million guaranteed)
WR Keelan Cole - PFF 2 years $11 million ($5 million guaranteed)
WR Danny Amendola - PFF 1 year $5.5 million ($5 million guaranteed)
WR Breshad Perriman - PFF 2 years $16 million ($7.5 million guaranteed)
WR Rashard Higgins - PFF 2 years $10 million ($5.5 million guaranteed)
WR A.J Green - PFF 2 years $20 million ($12 million guaranteed)
WR David Moore - PFF 2 years $7.5 million ($5 million guaranteed)
WR Josh Reynolds - PFF 2 years $8.5 million ($5 million guaranteed)
WR Kendrick Bourne - PFF 2 years $12.5 million ($8 million guaranteed)
WR DeSean Jackson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed)
WR Kenny Stills - PFF 1 year $2.5 million ($1.075 million guaranteed)
WR Damiere Byrd - PFF 2 years $4.5 million ($2.5 million guaranteed)
WR Willie Snead IV - PFF 2 years $13.5 million ($6.75 million guaranteed)
WR Dede Westbrook- PFF 1 year $1.5 million

Wilson8 · 02-24-2021, 03:18 AM

Offensive Tackles
OT Trent Williams – PFF 4 years $80 million (62.5 guaranteed)
OT Taylor Moton – PFF 5 years $82.5 million ($45 million guaranteed)
OT Russell Okung - PFF 3 years $50 million ($32.5 million guaranteed)
OT Alejandro Villanueva - PFF 3 years $45 million ($30 million guaranteed)
OT Daryl Williams - PFF 3 years $31.5 million ($18.75 million guaranteed)
OT Rick Wagner - PFF 2 years $9 million ($5 million guaranteed)
OT Kelvin Beachum - PFF 1 year $4.5 million
OT Matt Feiler - PFF 2 years $12 million ($8 million guaranteed)
OT Mike Remmers - PFF 2 years $10 million ($8 million guaranteed)
OT Cam Robinson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed)
OT Cameron Fleming - PFF 1 year $4 million ($2.5 million guaranteed)
OT Ty Nsekhe - PFF 1 years $4.5 million ($3 million guaranteed)
OT Zach Banner - PFF 1 year $2 million ($500,000 guaranteed)

Wilson8 · 02-24-2021, 03:19 AM

Edge -
Edge Shaq Barrett – PFF 4 years $68 million ($40 million guaranteed)
Edge J.J. Watt – PFF 2 years $25 million ($20 million guaranteed)
Edge Carl Lawson - PFF 4 years $55 million ($30 million guaranteed)
Edge Jadeveon Clowney - PFF 1 year $13 million ($13 million guaranteed)
Edge Yannick Ngakoue - PFF 4 years $70 million ($40 million guaranteed)
Edge Melvin Ingram III - PFF 2 years $20 million ($16 million guaranteed)
Edge Bud Dupree - PFF 1 year $10 million ($7.5 million guaranteed)
Edge Leonard Floyd - PFF 3 years $40 million ($22.5 million guaranteed)
Edge Trey Hendrickson - PFF 4 years $45 million ($25 million guaranteed)
Edge Matthew Judon - PFF 4 years $64 million ($33 million guaranteed)
Edge Aldon Smith - PFF 2 years $15 million ($10 million guaranteed)
Edge Haason Reddick - PFF 1 year $8.5 million ($8.5 million guaranteed)
Edge Takkarist McKinley - PFF 3 years $28.5 million ($18 million guaranteed)
Edge Romeo Okwara - PFF 3 years $19.5 million ($10 million guaranteed)
Edge Deatrich Wise JR. - PFF 3 years $21 million ($12 million guaranteed)
Edge Tyus Bowser - PFF 3 years $21 million ($10 million guaranteed)
Edge Justin Houston - PFF 2 years $18 million ($10 million guaranteed)
Edge Tarell Basham - PFF 2 years $13 million ($7 million guaranteed)
Edge Oliver Vernon - PFF 1 year $2.075 million ($1.075 million guaranteed)
Edge Jordan Jenkins - PFF 1 year $5 million ($3.5 million guaranteed)
Edge Kerry Hyder - PFF 2 years $9 million ($5 million guaranteed)
Edge Trent Murphy - PFF 2 years $15 million ($10 million guaranteed)
Edge Pernell McPhee - PFF 1 year $2 million ($500,000 guaranteed)

Wilson8 · 02-24-2021, 03:21 AM

Centers -
C Corey Linsley - PFF 3 years $33 million ($16.5 million guaranteed)
C David Andrews - PFF 3 years $18 million ($8 million guaranteed)
C Austin Reiter - PFF 2 years $9.5 million ($4 million guaranteed)
C Alex Mack - PFF 1 year $6 million ($6 million guaranteed)
C Ted Karras - PFF 2 years $8.5 million ($4.75 million guaranteed)
C Ethan Pocic - PFF 1 year $1.25 million ($500,000 guaranteed)

Wilson8 · 02-24-2021, 03:23 AM

Some of the less expensive players, I like for the Chiefs -
CB Bashaud Breeland - PFF 2 years $10 million ($5.5 million guaranteed)
TE Richard Rodgers – PFF 2 years $3.5 million ($1.25 million guaranteed)
Or
TE James O’Shaughnessy – PFF 2 years $3 million ($1 million guaranteed)
C/G Nick Easton – PFF 1 year $2.25 million ($750,000 guaranteed)
Edge Samson Ebukam – PFF 2 years $8 million ($3.75 million guaranteed)
LB Raekwon McMillan – PFF 1 year $1.5 million ($500,000 guaranteed)

Dunerdr · 02-24-2021, 06:59 AM

Edit: I was actually thinking of Sterling Sheppard in NY but Westbrook is a 4.3 guy.

Just reviewing the wr list, I would look at Dede Westbrook for 1 year 1.5. Hes produed some hightlight plays without a real qb.

Hoover · 02-24-2021, 07:41 AM

well if it were me...

OT Cam Robinson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed)
C Corey Linsley - PFF 3 years $33 million ($16.5 million guaranteed)
CB Bashaud Breeland - PFF 2 years $10 million ($5.5 million guaranteed)
Edge Justin Houston - PFF 2 years $18 million ($10 million guaranteed)

RunKC · 02-24-2021, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman

I would be pumped if we ended up with Barmore or Onwuzurike.

Jones can be cut with zero dead money and $22 million in cap space in both 2022 and 2023. Would not be shocked if Veach insulates that position right away.

I’d be shocked if Veach cut Chris Jones in 2022. Guy is 26 and just now entering his best years.

Chris Meck · 02-24-2021, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I’d be shocked if Veach cut Chris Jones in 2022. Guy is 26 and just now entering his best years.

Yeah, we're not cutting Jonesy.

Clark on the other hand is probably gone after this year.

**New World Order** · 02-24-2021, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

Some of the WRs
WR Chris Godwin – PFF Franchise Tag
WR Allen Robinson II – PFF Franchise Tag
WR Kenny Golladay – PFF Franchise Tag
WR Will Fuller – PFF Franchise Tag
WR Ju Ju Smith-Schuster PFF 4 years $68 million ($35 million guaranteed)
WR Corey Davis - PFF 4 years $65 million ($32 million guaranteed)
WR Antonio Brown - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed + $2 million incentives)
WR Ty Hilton - PFF 3 years $28.5 million ($18 million guaranteed)
WR Curtis Samuel - PFF 3 years $25 million ($15 million guaranteed)
WR Marvin Jones JR. - PFF 3 years $27 million ($16.5 million guaranteed)
WR Nelson Agholor - PFF 2 years $15 million ($9 million guaranteed)
WR Sammy Watkins - PFF 3 years $30 million ($21 million guaranteed)
WR Keelan Cole - PFF 2 years $11 million ($5 million guaranteed)
WR Danny Amendola - PFF 1 year $5.5 million ($5 million guaranteed)
WR Breshad Perriman - PFF 2 years $16 million ($7.5 million guaranteed)
WR Rashard Higgins - PFF 2 years $10 million ($5.5 million guaranteed)
WR A.J Green - PFF 2 years $20 million ($12 million guaranteed)
WR David Moore - PFF 2 years $7.5 million ($5 million guaranteed)
WR Josh Reynolds - PFF 2 years $8.5 million ($5 million guaranteed)
WR Kendrick Bourne - PFF 2 years $12.5 million ($8 million guaranteed)
WR DeSean Jackson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed)
WR Kenny Stills - PFF 1 year $2.5 million ($1.075 million guaranteed)
WR Damiere Byrd - PFF 2 years $4.5 million ($2.5 million guaranteed)
WR Willie Snead IV - PFF 2 years $13.5 million ($6.75 million guaranteed)
WR Dede Westbrook- PFF 1 year $1.5 million

I'd love Marvin Jones Jr on that kind of deal.

Dunerdr · 02-24-2021, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

well if it were me...

OT Cam Robinson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed)
C Corey Linsley - PFF 3 years $33 million ($16.5 million guaranteed)
CB Bashaud Breeland - PFF 2 years $10 million ($5.5 million guaranteed)
Edge Justin Houston - PFF 2 years $18 million ($10 million guaranteed)

I'd probably have to go okwara or watt over houston. personally i think its a reunion that does not need to happen.

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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3587557	Some of the WRs WR Chris Godwin – PFF Franchise Tag WR Allen Robinson II – PFF Franchise Tag WR Kenny Golladay – PFF Franchise Tag WR Will Fuller – PFF Franchise Tag WR Ju Ju Smith-Schuster PFF 4 years $68 million ($35 million guaranteed) WR Corey Davis - PFF 4 years $65 million ($32 million guaranteed) WR Antonio Brown - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed + $2 million incentives) WR Ty Hilton - PFF 3 years $28.5 million ($18 million guaranteed) WR Curtis Samuel - PFF 3 years $25 million ($15 million guaranteed) WR Marvin Jones JR. - PFF 3 years $27 million ($16.5 million guaranteed) WR Nelson Agholor - PFF 2 years $15 million ($9 million guaranteed) WR Sammy Watkins - PFF 3 years $30 million ($21 million guaranteed) WR Keelan Cole - PFF 2 years $11 million ($5 million guaranteed) WR Danny Amendola - PFF 1 year $5.5 million ($5 million guaranteed) WR Breshad Perriman - PFF 2 years $16 million ($7.5 million guaranteed) WR Rashard Higgins - PFF 2 years $10 million ($5.5 million guaranteed) WR A.J Green - PFF 2 years $20 million ($12 million guaranteed) WR David Moore - PFF 2 years $7.5 million ($5 million guaranteed) WR Josh Reynolds - PFF 2 years $8.5 million ($5 million guaranteed) WR Kendrick Bourne - PFF 2 years $12.5 million ($8 million guaranteed) WR DeSean Jackson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed) WR Kenny Stills - PFF 1 year $2.5 million ($1.075 million guaranteed) WR Damiere Byrd - PFF 2 years $4.5 million ($2.5 million guaranteed) WR Willie Snead IV - PFF 2 years $13.5 million ($6.75 million guaranteed) WR Dede Westbrook- PFF 1 year $1.5 million
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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3587557	Offensive Tackles OT Trent Williams – PFF 4 years $80 million (62.5 guaranteed) OT Taylor Moton – PFF 5 years $82.5 million ($45 million guaranteed) OT Russell Okung - PFF 3 years $50 million ($32.5 million guaranteed) OT Alejandro Villanueva - PFF 3 years $45 million ($30 million guaranteed) OT Daryl Williams - PFF 3 years $31.5 million ($18.75 million guaranteed) OT Rick Wagner - PFF 2 years $9 million ($5 million guaranteed) OT Kelvin Beachum - PFF 1 year $4.5 million OT Matt Feiler - PFF 2 years $12 million ($8 million guaranteed) OT Mike Remmers - PFF 2 years $10 million ($8 million guaranteed) OT Cam Robinson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed) OT Cameron Fleming - PFF 1 year $4 million ($2.5 million guaranteed) OT Ty Nsekhe - PFF 1 years $4.5 million ($3 million guaranteed) OT Zach Banner - PFF 1 year $2 million ($500,000 guaranteed)
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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3587557	Edge - Edge Shaq Barrett – PFF 4 years $68 million ($40 million guaranteed) Edge J.J. Watt – PFF 2 years $25 million ($20 million guaranteed) Edge Carl Lawson - PFF 4 years $55 million ($30 million guaranteed) Edge Jadeveon Clowney - PFF 1 year $13 million ($13 million guaranteed) Edge Yannick Ngakoue - PFF 4 years $70 million ($40 million guaranteed) Edge Melvin Ingram III - PFF 2 years $20 million ($16 million guaranteed) Edge Bud Dupree - PFF 1 year $10 million ($7.5 million guaranteed) Edge Leonard Floyd - PFF 3 years $40 million ($22.5 million guaranteed) Edge Trey Hendrickson - PFF 4 years $45 million ($25 million guaranteed) Edge Matthew Judon - PFF 4 years $64 million ($33 million guaranteed) Edge Aldon Smith - PFF 2 years $15 million ($10 million guaranteed) Edge Haason Reddick - PFF 1 year $8.5 million ($8.5 million guaranteed) Edge Takkarist McKinley - PFF 3 years $28.5 million ($18 million guaranteed) Edge Romeo Okwara - PFF 3 years $19.5 million ($10 million guaranteed) Edge Deatrich Wise JR. - PFF 3 years $21 million ($12 million guaranteed) Edge Tyus Bowser - PFF 3 years $21 million ($10 million guaranteed) Edge Justin Houston - PFF 2 years $18 million ($10 million guaranteed) Edge Tarell Basham - PFF 2 years $13 million ($7 million guaranteed) Edge Oliver Vernon - PFF 1 year $2.075 million ($1.075 million guaranteed) Edge Jordan Jenkins - PFF 1 year $5 million ($3.5 million guaranteed) Edge Kerry Hyder - PFF 2 years $9 million ($5 million guaranteed) Edge Trent Murphy - PFF 2 years $15 million ($10 million guaranteed) Edge Pernell McPhee - PFF 1 year $2 million ($500,000 guaranteed)
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