Chiefs Dorsey sucks - Page 12

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 11:08 AM

Plain and simple.

Another bust of a DT

JWhit is right about everything he said about Dorsey. I thought he was supposed to be the centerpiece around the DLine? "Supposively" supposed to be that difference maker?

Yeah

Not even close.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-24-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

tell me that wasn't from your memory. if it was, impressive recollection.

I remember ahonotu and dotson. they were decent to good. culpepper I don't remember, and I'm not motivated enough to check the google and find out.

Culpepper was workmanlike. Now he runs a law firm in Tampa.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-24-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course he would.

A franchise LT is the 2nd most important position on the field.

Some say it's the most important...

This

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

OMG You obtuse, reeruned chimp. Would you just look at the damn stats people are posting. Thats all you need to know.

i dont focus on stats.

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

whos job is it to demonstrate that on the field? The player.

A coach can advise him, but it's the players responsibility to work and practice what he needs to do to improve.

but since you're the expert, now is the time when you come and tell us conclusively that you've SEEN how he's been coached, and that he's just too ****ing stupid to pick up on the coaching.

oh yeah. I forget. this is the team that has had the following players bust out IN A ROW. eric downing, ryan sims, eddie freeman, junior siavii, and (maybe) tank tyler, turk mcbride, and glenn dorsey (according to you)

yeah. all of those guys where just too ****ing stupid and nonmotivated to listen to the awesome great coaching they received (or did they?)

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

i dont focus on stats.

you know where you went awry on this thread? when you went full-blown reerun.

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

but since you're the expert, now is the time when you come and tell us conclusively that you've SEEN how he's been coached, and that he's just too ****ing stupid to pick up on the coaching.

oh yeah. I forget. this is the team that has had the following players bust out IN A ROW. eric downing, ryan sims, eddie freeman, junior siavii, and (maybe) tank tyler, turk mcbride, and glenn dorsey (according to you)

yeah. all of those guys where just too ****ing stupid and nonmotivated to listen to the awesome great coaching they received (or did they?)

How the heck am I supposed to know how hes being coached? Am i behind the scenes to see how these guys are being prepared? I dont know.

Speaking of stupid, and nonmotivated. One thing I do know, I remember watching HBO hard knocks and they showed a clip of Tank Tyler sleeping while they were playing film. Now I dont know if that was for show or for real.

If it is real, do you know how ****n bad that is?

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-24-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You didn't seem to be thinking this when you were saying the Chiefs should draft Sedrick Ellis.....

This

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

How the heck am I supposed to know how hes being coached? Am i behind the scenes to see how these guys are being prepared? I dont know.

finally the truth comes out. jesus. and I thought you were football messiah and knew everything.

so you DON'T know that the coaching isn't horrible. is it possible, nay, probable, that there's a REASON defensive tackles bust at a very high rate in KC for a REASON?!?

maybe a good DL coach could help our guys have that second or third passrushing move. maybe a good DL coach could make them better prepared. maybe, just ****ing maybe, a better DL coach could lead to more than six ****ing sacks through 11 games

EyePod · 11-24-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

People talk about Dorsey as if hes some sort of project?

WTF? He is a TOP 5 PICK! Came from a great school with a great program, arguable came out as one of the best defensive players in the country, but he needs time?

yeah i aint buying that. youre either good, and you have it, or you don't.

yeah i also want my chiefs finishing shit so they can a top pick again..Dorsey is an example how finishing sh*t can hurt you.

This is why you're an idiot. I'd rather have Herm in charge of our team for 5 years like Gretz said than have you involved at all.

chiefsngop · 11-24-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I know it may be early...but honestly i really dont like what i see in him. He is not showing any signs of progress, he gets pushed back quite a bit and often. I dont see him using any moves, its just pure raw straight bull rush 90% of the time. He lacks explosion BIGTIME. that is coming off the ball.

His footwork is absolutely terrible.

Lack or explosion and bad footwork=death for any lineman

His lack of explosion could very well be caused by "thinking too much" and not just "playing". That usually works it's way out of a rookie in one season.

The rest of the items you listed can directly be tied to poor coaching. Get some better mentors around him and improvement could start immediately. And I think change is on the way in the defensive coaching department. (pray)

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

finally the truth comes out. jesus. and I thought you were football messiah and knew everything.

so you DON'T know that the coaching isn't horrible. is it possible, nay, probable, that there's a REASON defensive tackles bust at a very high rate in KC for a REASON?!?

maybe a good DL coach could help our guys have that second or third passrushing move. maybe a good DL coach could make them better prepared. maybe, just ****ing maybe, a better DL coach could lead to more than six ****ing sacks through 11 games

I said coaching isn't everything. And it's not. it's both players and coaching.

Is there a reason DL dont pan out in KC? I dont know? Bad scouting? Bad Coaching? A little bit of everything?...I didnt say all coaching. You blew it out of proportion man.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-24-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

i dont focus on stats.

Dumbass...

EyePod · 11-24-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

It's his job to review film of himself, and see where he needs to improve. And practice upon it.

Great players do it all the time. Coaches can advise, and guide. As far as the training programs go, he can hire his own trainer to help in that regard..or have him design an offseason workout program what he needs to do?

Rookie's don't normally do this. Jared didn't become any good until his 4th season!! His 2nd was really solid, but his 3rd was terrible. Because of that, he decided to study a lot mroe and become better. After his 3rd season. So stop faulting Dorsey for not hitting the books.

Chiefnj2 · 11-24-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Rookie's don't normally do this. Jared didn't become any good until his 4th season!! His 2nd was really solid, but his 3rd was terrible. Because of that, he decided to study a lot mroe and become better. After his 3rd season. So stop faulting Dorsey for not hitting the books.

Yeah, those 9 sacks in 10 games started as a rookie really sucked. He wasn't any good.

BigChiefFan · 11-24-2008, 03:35 PM

You know what they say-a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. They traded a proven commodity and then use YOUTH as an excuse. What exactly is Hali's EXCUSE, again? Hali is Herm's draft picks come to fruition. Three years later, I think we can judge Herm's first draft.

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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Dorsey sucks Plain and simple. Another bust of a DT JWhit is right about everything he said about Dorsey. I thought he was supposed to be the centerpiece around the DLine? "Supposively" supposed to be that difference maker? Yeah Not even close.
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