what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk?

[wutamess]

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

Orton is to the Chiefs what Gannon was to the Raiders. A journeyman that finally gets to the promised land!

I was thinking something similar. When the Chiefs are deciding whether to continue with Cassel or try to sign Orton, they're facing a similar dilemma as the one Carl Peterson faced with Gannon and Grbac. Gannon's contract was up so financially it made more sense to retain Grbac and let Gannon go just like it would be cheaper to keep Cassel than switch to Orton now. Going for the dollar-wise option hurt last time around.

[patteeu]

Of course, I don't think Cassel is as bad as Grbac and I don't think Orton is as good as Gannon, so the decision might not be as important to the Chiefs' near-future as it was then.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by wutamess

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

Your dad is right, sorry kid...

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Orton has a way of fooling coaching staffs in the offseason. He is the best practice player in NFL history and plays great in the preseason. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs get tricked into thinking Orton can be a longterm answer and then realize a year or two later they have been fooled.

This isn't what you said about Orton just last season.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Nobody's [at least not the OVERWHELMING majority] doing that. At most they're saying that's not the ONLY thing to do.

But then, as we know, your analysis of the NFL has turned into one big 'OR Gate.'

A guy who was waived by a team starting Tim Tebow at quarterback is now, after one game, considered a potential solution for a team that hasn't had a dependable franchise-level QB in 40 years.

Think about how goddamned myopic that is.

[007]

Originally Posted by blaise

Saying he's better than Cassel isn't saying much.

maybe so but at least he can actually move us down the field and keep our D rested. Something CAssel can't seem to achieve.

[Okie_Apparition]

F O U R

4 dropped passes

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Chiefs fans will do anything to rationalize avoiding having to draft and develop a first round QB.

Outside of maybe a few, who here is doing this?

[007]

Originally Posted by Dave

Outside of maybe a few, who here is doing this?

I second this.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Guru

I second this.

I'd say 99% of us regular users are onboard with drafting a franchise QB.

[007]

Originally Posted by Dave

I'd say 99% of us regular users are onboard with drafting a franchise QB.

I'm not sure I have even seen a post indicating that Orton should be our future. ONly that he should be the stopgap as the Chiefs develop a draft pick.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Dave

Outside of maybe a few, who here is doing this?

Chiefs Planet is a poor representation of the actual fan base. The genious loosers over at Arrowhead Pride and other sites caption your average Chiefs fan much better

[Bump]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Cut C@$$hole and Palko.

Resign Orton to a 3 year deal.

Draft the best QB we can trade up for...

YUP

['Hamas' Jenkins]

There is no more anti-homer Chiefs board than CP, and in just this thread and the "Orton should be given a chance" thread, you have the following posts, all from separate members

If the most iconoclastic board is posting this, what do you think the temperature of the room is?

Originally Posted by Bobbie

Did Trent Dilfer win the Super Bowl, or did the Ravens?

Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman...

you can get to the Super Bowl with a terrible QB...

Peyton Manning is a bit different with the Colts. Indeed, clearly, the data is "in" on that score...

My favorite - Jeff Hostetler - clearly he won the Super Bowl, and Lawrence Taylor and the NYG D had nothing to do with it...

Originally Posted by teedubya

Step 1. Sign Orton.
Step 2. Cut Cassel.
Step 3. Kick Cassel in the nuts.
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Profit!

Originally Posted by wutamess

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

Originally Posted by Shox

Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

Originally Posted by durtyrute

I agree with most of this. I don't like the idea of giving away picks to move up for anyone. We have no idea how they will play in the NFL. Plus, we still have some holes to fill. I'd say keep Orton (Cassel and Palko exit stage left) and go BPA in the draft. If it's a QB in the first, great, if not find one later. Then next year roll with Orton while Stanzi and QBX sit and watch. In two years, QB comp between QBX and Stanzi and we roll with the winner.

[007]

Yep, that looks like about 1%.