Chiefs Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18 - Page 12

Discuss Thrower · 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues
— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

ThaVirus · 06-21-2015, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Wouldn't argue with a single word of that, that's why in a gimme scenario I'm taking Wilson every single time... but not for two firsts.

He's just not THAT much better, two firsts is deadly serious stuff... just look at Ditka giving away the farm for Williams... awesome back, but worth all of that?

****.

NO.

I can see I'm not going to change your mind..

But Wilson is only going into his fourth season. We're all hoping things will click and Alex will suddenly become some deep threat phenom in his eleventh season. Is it not more reasonable to expect a fourth year player to improve over a guy that's been in the league for over a decade?

Also, think about the draft. How much is a 1st rounder really worth? Eric Fisher, Dee Ford, Jon Baldwin? Hell, Dwayne Bowe was one of our best 1st round picks of the past 20 ****ing years and people here HATE that guy.

Hootie · 06-21-2015, 09:56 PM

Lmao. The 4 INT game. The one where he made so many clutch plays after 9/10 QBs would've folded including a beautiful pass to win the game in overtime on a play he checked into ...

Yeah man. Keep grasping for those straws.

It's hilarious that Tom Brady is the greatest because of his postseason record but Russell Wilson is Alex Smith with a defense and a RB

***NEWSFLASH***

The best defense in the Super Bowl was New England. They had a better game plan and a better team.

One guy kept Seattle in that game and also had them the game. One guy. Wilson played such a great Super Bowl and people in this board still only wanted to categorize it as "ok."

Just so dumb. So, so dumb.

Hammock Parties · 06-21-2015, 09:58 PM

Joe Montana threw 3 INT in his first NFCC win against Dallas.

But no one remembers that!

Hootie · 06-21-2015, 09:58 PM

People on this board have overrated draft picks for years. Two firsts for a franchise QB would be like trading two 10 speed bicycles for a Porsche

ThaVirus · 06-21-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It also carries far more reward. More points, quicker points, bigger plays etc.

More reward for more points would equal more wins.

Potentially.

There is potential for higher reward but also comes with more risk. I don't think you're stressing that enough.

You really have to weigh the risk vs reward. Passing the ball isn't always the best option.

Hootie · 06-21-2015, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Joe Montana threw 3 INT in his first NFCC win against Dallas.

But no one remembers that!

He's the GOAT cuz his playoff record! Just like Brady! But playoff wins don't matter for Russell cuz ... Yeah!

Discuss Thrower · 06-21-2015, 10:01 PM

In his career, Russell Wilson has faced pressure on 43.2% of his dropbacks, more than any other QB over that span. pic.twitter.com/tN0ictkj2Q
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) June 21, 2015

-King- · 06-21-2015, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Rank the top 18 QBs in the league. I'd like to see it.

I'll do tiers of Qbs instead of ranks.

Tier 1:
Aaron Rodgers
Andrew Luck
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning

Tier 2:
Tony Romo
Ben Roethlisberger
Philip Rivers
Drew Brees

Tier 3:
Matt Ryan
Russell Wilson
Alex Smith
Joe Flacco
Cam Newton

Tier 4:
Eli Manning
Jay Cutler
Andy Dalton
Matt Stafford
Colin Kaepernick

Tier 5:
Rest of the quarterbacks.

I think the quarterbacks in each tier are pretty much interchangeable with one another.

Mother****erJones · 06-21-2015, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

People on this board have overrated draft picks for years. Two firsts for a franchise QB would be like trading two 10 speed bicycles for a Porsche

Exactly. Like the poster in here who said he wouldn't even give up 5 1sts for Luck.

-King- · 06-21-2015, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Cool. Russell Wilson won that 4 INT game by making two 35+ yard passes in one drive -the latter of which was a completion to Kearse who was blanketed.

Alex Smith never throws that pass in that situation.

Yeah he needed to make those passes because HE THEW 4 INTERCEPTIONS IN THAT GAME.

He was only in position to make those plays because the defense was able to hold Aaron Rodgers in check and Mike McCarthy coached like a dumbass in the 4th quarter.

There aren't many quarterbacks given the luxury of throwing 4 interceptions and still being in the game at the very end. I'm not going to praise a guy for playing like ass for 98% of a game but still pulling a win out of his ass. If you don't throw 4 INTs that game, you don't need to rely on a punter throwing a touchdown pass and needing to make two very great clutch throws at the last second to win.

ThaVirus · 06-21-2015, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Yeah he needed to make those passes because HE THEW 4 INTERCEPTIONS IN THAT GAME.

He was only in position to make those plays because the defense was able to hold Aaron Rodgers in check and Mike McCarthy coached like a dumbass in the 4th quarter.

There aren't many quarterbacks given the luxury of throwing 4 interceptions and still being in the game at the very end. I'm not going to praise a guy for playing like ass for 98% of a game but still pulling a win out of his ass. If you don't throw 4 INTs that game, you don't need to rely on a punter throwing a touchdown pass and needing to make two very great clutch throws at the last second to win.

That ends up being the case with some Andrew Luck games.

**notorious** · 06-21-2015, 10:12 PM

Hammock Parties · 06-21-2015, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

He was only in position to make those plays because the defense was able to hold Aaron Rodgers in check

Remember when the 49ers defense put Alex Smith in a position to make some plays because they held Eli Manning in check.

And then, oops.

He was Alex Smith and those plays never happened.

Hootie · 06-21-2015, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

That ends up being the case with some Andrew Luck games.

Luck gets the excuses, Russell doesn't. It's Tom and Peyton redux

-King- · 06-21-2015, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

That ends up being the case with some Andrew Luck games.

Andrew Luck has never had a 4 INT game. And even in the 3 INT games he won (two of them) he also threw 4 touchdowns in each. Russell Wilson threw 1 touchdown in that 4 INT game.

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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Lmao. The 4 INT game. The one where he made so many clutch plays after 9/10 QBs would've folded including a beautiful pass to win the game in overtime on a play he checked into ... Yeah man. Keep grasping for those straws. It's hilarious that Tom Brady is the greatest because of his postseason record but Russell Wilson is Alex Smith with a defense and a RB *NEWSFLASH* The best defense in the Super Bowl was New England. They had a better game plan and a better team. One guy kept Seattle in that game and also had them the game. One guy. Wilson played such a great Super Bowl and people in this board still only wanted to categorize it as "ok." Just so dumb. So, so dumb.
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