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Mecca · 02-11-2009, 05:35 AM

Who knew Mike Mayock was a true fan...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html

Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Hundreds of players are available in this year’s NFL draft, but the Chiefs will have to investigate only a fraction of them when it comes to their first pick.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said only about 10 players are worthy of the Chiefs’ consideration with their top pick, which is third overall.

“There’s probably a total of 10 guys they’ll have to look at and evaluate and then say, ‘OK, here’s our list one, two and three,’ ” Mayock said. “They know they’re getting one of those guys.”

Mayock’s list is heavy on offensive players, which is unfortunate for a team that needs plenty of help on its defensive front seven. It includes quarterbacks Matt Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of Southern California, wide receivers Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, running backs Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and Chris Wells of Ohio State and offensive tackles Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Jason Smith of Baylor.

The only defensive players are Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo.

While the Chiefs are closer to being competitive on offense than defense, they have few positions where they couldn’t use some help. Perhaps the only one is cornerback, where rookies Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers moved into the lineup last season and looked like part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Picking third, their highest position since taking Neil Smith with the second pick in 1988, would allow the Chiefs a chance at a long-elusive franchise quarterback. Stafford will likely be selected by Detroit with the first pick, but Sanchez could well be available to the Chiefs.

“The potential franchise quarterback is the most important position on your team,” Mayock said. “If I’m building a franchise, the first thing I’m going to do is (investigate) the quarterback position. This year, the guys you better evaluate are Stafford and Sanchez. I’m not trying to tell you they should take them at (No.) 3. I’m saying they had better understand what they are.

“I wish Sanchez went back (to USC) for another year. He needed another year. He’s a kid that only started 16 games, but he’s got the ability and the toughness and the arm strength and can learn the pro game and be a starter.”

Moreno and Wells are the best of the running backs, and the Chiefs could be in the market for a featured back if they dispose of Larry Johnson, who is unhappy in Kansas City and wants out.

The Chiefs drafted Branden Albert in the first round last year, and he looks like their left tackle for several seasons. That’s why the Chiefs probably wouldn’t seriously consider Monroe or Smith, but it’s not impossible because they could use an upgrade on the right side of their line.

With so many other needs, wide receiver probably won’t be a priority. But faced with the opportunity of grabbing a playmaker like Crabtree or Maclin, could the Chiefs turn it down?

Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen.

“I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy.

“He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.”

Boy that's how I'd wanna make my picks based on the fear of a bust so I reach for a devalued position brilliant!

beach tribe · 02-11-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You know I was doing some searching of past evaluations..Mike Mayock said Leaf was a better prospect than Manning.

He was a better PROSPECT.

**DeezNutz** · 02-11-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

STOP WITH THIS GOD DAMN ARGUMENT!!!!!! Grabbing Brady in the 6th round was a ****ING ANOMALY.

If he has such a talent at grabbing QBs in the late rounds.....then why aren't these guys starting QBs?

Rohan Davey - 4th round - 2002
Kliff Kingsbury - 6th round - 2003

This is the albatross that comes with having Pioli. **** it. Doesn't matter that the man himself has said it was lucky as hell.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

STOP WITH THIS GOD DAMN ARGUMENT!!!!!! Grabbing Brady in the 6th round was a ****ING ANOMALY.

If he has such a talent at grabbing QBs in the late rounds.....then why aren't these guys starting QBs?

Rohan Davey - 4th round - 2002
Kliff Kingsbury - 6th round - 2003

Oh, snap.

**The Franchise** · 02-11-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This is the albatross that comes with having Pioli. **** it. Doesn't matter that the man himself has said it was lucky as hell.

I understand it comes with him being our GM but the fact that fans ****ing cling to it like the Chiefs can grab a QB in the 6th round have him be the next Tom Brady.....drives me ****ing insane.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-11-2009, 02:13 PM

Pioli didn't even make that pick. It was the New England QB coach, who stormed out of the ****ing room in rounds 4 and 5 after they didn't pick Brady.

Pioli gets 0 credit for Brady, as does Belichick. Morons who think he can cull great talent in the late rounds by pointing out Brady, aren't just reeruned, they are completely uninformed.

**DeezNutz** · 02-11-2009, 02:14 PM

The reason those guys failed is because they didn't get the same opportunities to succeed. Doesn't matter that everything that happens at practice is on tape, including taking a shit, with extensive analysis of a player's wiping ability.

Pioli doesn't give the kids a chance111

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Pioli didn't even make that pick. It was the New England QB coach, who stormed out of the ****ing room in rounds 4 and 5 after they didn't pick Brady.

Pioli gets 0 credit for Brady, as does Belichick. Morons who think he can cull great talent in the late rounds by pointing out Brady, aren't just reeruned, they are completely uninformed.

Exactly.

They wanted someone to groom as a backup to Bledsoe, and had Brady and Tim ****ing Rattay as targets.

That tells me everything I need to know about what they expected to get out of Tom Brady.

**DeezNutz** · 02-11-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

I understand it comes with him being our GM but the fact that fans ****ing cling to it like the Chiefs can grab a QB in the 6th round have him be the next Tom Brady.....drives me ****ing insane.

I hear you. But you're fighting a battle you can't win.

Cassel111 Brady111 FTW111

**The Franchise** · 02-11-2009, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

STOP WITH THIS GOD DAMN ARGUMENT!!!!!! Grabbing Brady in the 6th round was a ****ING ANOMALY.

If he has such a talent at grabbing QBs in the late rounds.....then why aren't these guys starting QBs?

Rohan Davey - 4th round - 2002
Kliff Kingsbury - 6th round - 2003

Oh and lets add in the fact that he was with the Jets from 97-00.

Chuck Clements - 6th round - 1997

Ravens......in 1996.

Jon Stark - 7th round - 1996

ChiefRon · 02-11-2009, 02:20 PM

I'm tired of that argument, too. He has admitted to getting lucky.

Do you really think that when they're discussing who is their franchise QB, Pioli just dismisses the idea "Oh, don't worry about that. We can grab one anywhere, 6th or 7th round is where the gold is for franchise QBs.."

LOL. Right.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Absolutely.

No one is claiming that either Stafford or Sanchez has to start game #1.

Croyle will hurt himself in a meeting, so can we please filter his name on this forum? Replace it with a smilie of a crutch or wheelchair?

Either that, or a

in a #12 jersey. Why is this name even mentioned? Over, finished, done, gone, out.
It's like having an avatar of Shannahan or a Hermlip; completely ****ing useless. Of no relevance. Of no worth or entertainment value. A waste of byte-space on the World Wide Web. A box of medical waste. A Johnny On The Spot full of construction worker shite. Any CD by Nickel Back etc.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'd say if you don't know whether or not you have a franchise quarterback...then you don't have a franchise quarterback.

WINNER.

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Who says Thigpen can't get better this offseason and TC and continue to get better this next season? ANd just because you draft a QB in the top 5 doesn't mean he's gonna be a franchise QB. You intend for that to happen, but there have been just as many busts at this position as there have been successful QB's, and I'd say probably more busts to be honest.

Pulling someone off of waivers and being a former 7th rd pick, doesn't exactly fit the definition of a franchise QB.

But Brady was a 6th rd pick, Cassell was a 7th rd pick, not saying it can't happen, but Thigpen is also more athletic than both of those guys and has shown that he can make plays with his legs.

Let him continue to groom and see if he gets better. He played well enough at times last season to win games.

I just dont think this is the year to take a QB with a #3 pick. I liked Matt Ryan last season, I thought he was worthy of top 5 pick. Stafford and Sanchez not so much, esp Sanchez. I wouldnt be pissed if Stafford was our choice, but I would be down right livid pissed off if we gamble on Sanchez.

For the first highlighted comment:

Your punishment for bringing up this most old, tired, and useless point is as follows; Cut your balls off, dip them in anti-freeze, and eat them.

For the second highlighted comment:

I shall enjoy your "lividness" come April. In the meantime;
Fire.
Jump.
Die.

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Making plays with his legs seems to be his strength. He really has not shown he can make the plays with his arm yet. He had wide open receivers on deep balls that he badly underthrew, yet was able to complete them because the guys were so wide open. In weather that was not the greatest, he was way off target on many passes. And he was very fortunate that some CB's were unable to catch some out patterns that would have turned into easy pick-sixes. He does seem to have a good combo going with Gonzo, but I would think that any and every single QB to put on a Chiefs uniform could say that.

And if we passed on Sanchez, and he turns out to be an Elway, Marino, Montana, Manning, or Favre... I would think a lot more folks here would be more livid pissed than the other way around.

Yes! To Coogs you listen!

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Was there a Gray spotting?

Yes. They were sighted giving CoMo an anal probe/frontal labotomy combo.

Damn. Looks like our QB situation is set. Thigpen, Gray, Croyle. We cool.

Absolutely! All we need are some good linemen, good LB's, a high-dollar Running Back, and a coal train full of carrots to stick up our asses as we dance the Hokey-Pokey!!!!!
Yay!!!!!!!!

CoMoChief · 02-11-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

STOP WITH THIS GOD DAMN ARGUMENT!!!!!! Grabbing Brady in the 6th round was a ****ING ANOMALY.

If he has such a talent at grabbing QBs in the late rounds.....then why aren't these guys starting QBs?

Rohan Davey - 4th round - 2002
Kliff Kingsbury - 6th round - 2003

Obviously you're not gonna do that every year otherwise every NFL team would have a low rounder turned into franchise QB, having that said Pioli's done this twice. Point is you dont have to have a top 3 QB to win a SB.

There are only 2 QB's in this league that win consistantly no matter who they play or where. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. One is a top 3 pick, the other 6th rd pick. does it happen often? No, but there are many QBs that have won SB's that didn't get drafted or were drafted late.

CrazyHorse · 02-11-2009, 02:23 PM

Just thought I'd stop in to see if it's possible that the same few people that were engaged in what is now a 48 hour circle jerk were still at it.

Yup.

Which of you were brilliant, and which were fools? I've forgotten.

See ya tomorrow.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-11-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Obviously you're not gonna do that every year otherwise every NFL team would have a low rounder turned into franchise QB, having that said Pioli's done this twice. Point is you dont have to have a top 3 QB to win a SB.

There are only 2 QB's in this league that win consistantly no matter who they play or where. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. One is a top 3 pick, the other 6th rd pick. does it happen often? No, but there are many QBs that have won SB's that didn't get drafted or were drafted late.

Read the thread, you dumb ****. Pioli did not make that pick.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Read the thread, you dumb ****. Pioli did not make that pick.

But...but...but 6th Round! 6th Round!

02-11-2009, 05:35 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-732950	Teicher:Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates Who knew Mike Mayock was a true fan... http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Hundreds of players are available in this year’s NFL draft, but the Chiefs will have to investigate only a fraction of them when it comes to their first pick. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said only about 10 players are worthy of the Chiefs’ consideration with their top pick, which is third overall. “There’s probably a total of 10 guys they’ll have to look at and evaluate and then say, ‘OK, here’s our list one, two and three,’ ” Mayock said. “They know they’re getting one of those guys.” Mayock’s list is heavy on offensive players, which is unfortunate for a team that needs plenty of help on its defensive front seven. It includes quarterbacks Matt Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of Southern California, wide receivers Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, running backs Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and Chris Wells of Ohio State and offensive tackles Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Jason Smith of Baylor. The only defensive players are Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo. While the Chiefs are closer to being competitive on offense than defense, they have few positions where they couldn’t use some help. Perhaps the only one is cornerback, where rookies Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers moved into the lineup last season and looked like part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Picking third, their highest position since taking Neil Smith with the second pick in 1988, would allow the Chiefs a chance at a long-elusive franchise quarterback. Stafford will likely be selected by Detroit with the first pick, but Sanchez could well be available to the Chiefs. “The potential franchise quarterback is the most important position on your team,” Mayock said. “If I’m building a franchise, the first thing I’m going to do is (investigate) the quarterback position. This year, the guys you better evaluate are Stafford and Sanchez. I’m not trying to tell you they should take them at (No.) 3. I’m saying they had better understand what they are. “I wish Sanchez went back (to USC) for another year. He needed another year. He’s a kid that only started 16 games, but he’s got the ability and the toughness and the arm strength and can learn the pro game and be a starter.” Moreno and Wells are the best of the running backs, and the Chiefs could be in the market for a featured back if they dispose of Larry Johnson, who is unhappy in Kansas City and wants out. The Chiefs drafted Branden Albert in the first round last year, and he looks like their left tackle for several seasons. That’s why the Chiefs probably wouldn’t seriously consider Monroe or Smith, but it’s not impossible because they could use an upgrade on the right side of their line. With so many other needs, wide receiver probably won’t be a priority. But faced with the opportunity of grabbing a playmaker like Crabtree or Maclin, could the Chiefs turn it down? Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen. “I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy. “He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.” Boy that's how I'd wanna make my picks based on the fear of a bust so I reach for a devalued position brilliant!
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Pioli didn't even make that pick. It was the New England QB coach, who stormed out of the ****ing room in rounds 4 and 5 after they didn't pick Brady. Pioli gets 0 credit for Brady, as does Belichick. Morons who think he can cull great talent in the late rounds by pointing out Brady, aren't just reeruned, they are completely uninformed. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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ChiefRon Starter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Memphis, TN Casino cash: $10004900	I'm tired of that argument, too. He has admitted to getting lucky. Do you really think that when they're discussing who is their franchise QB, Pioli just dismisses the idea "Oh, don't worry about that. We can grab one anywhere, 6th or 7th round is where the gold is for franchise QBs.." LOL. Right.
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