To the Herm haters.

[kcbubb]

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K


And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.


Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

[Bwana]

Jesus

[L.A. Chieffan]

Herm sucks. The End.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

God damn it.

How many ****ing times do we have to go over this?

You are making assumprtions based on only what you think, but everything we heard and read from day one that Hermna ****ing Edwards was hired said that the coaching staff was picked by Herman ****ing Edwards.

He interviewed each and every coach on the staff and shitcanned the ones he didn't want, and kept those that he did.
I'm sick of your dumb ass amaking the same unsubtantiated assertions.

Dumb****.

Originally Posted by milkman

God damn it.

How many ****ing times do we have to go over this?

You are making assumprtions based on only what you think, but everything we heard and read from day one that Hermna ****ing Edwards was hired said that the coaching staff was picked by Herman ****ing Edwards.

He interviewed each and every coach on the staff and shitcanned the ones he didn't want, and kept those that he did.
I'm sick of your dumb ass amaking the same unsubtantiated assertions.

Dumb****.

Ha. I knew you'd respond to this, because you're still floating around in fantasyland. OF COURSE Herm's going to say that he wanted Gun and Solari all along. You really think the day after Gun was hired, Herm is going to go to the media and throw a shit fit and scream and cuss about how Gunther Cunningham is a dipshit? Of course Peterson and Herm are going to say that Gun and Solari were Herm's choices. And to a limited extent, it might be true. I'm sure Herm sat down with both those guys, liked what he heard, and said he was okay with hiring either one of them. But that's not the way it's supposed to work. It was Carl Peterson's job to give Herm Edwards options. And Carl Peterson did not bring in a single coach outside of Kansas City to interview for coordinator positions. Being fine with hiring a coach, and being excited about hiring a coach are two entirely different things.

It was Carl Peterson's job to bring in options for Herm to look at. If Herm had a look at several coordinators and chose Gun and Solari, that'd be a different story. The fact that Peterson brought NOBODY in for a full week is a pretty strong indication that Peterson told Herm it was Solari/Gun or bust.

Saying that Carl Peterson had 100% control over who was hired and who was interviewed is not an assumption. It's a fact. Good GMs bring open competition for coaching vacancies. Carl Peterson had a history of refusing to bring in outside coaches/coordinators for interviews. If you still dispute that, answer me why when Greg Robinson was fired, the only guys the Chiefs interviewed were two of Vermeil's assistants and Gunther Cunningham. The fact that the two coordinators were hired without bringing in a single interview candidate outside the organization... that is Carl Peterson's fault.

[Bwana]

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[kstater]

[The Franchise]

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the..._coaches._ever.

Originally Posted by Sporting News

Herm Edwards: He'll be most known for his impassioned 'you play to win the game' speech. Too bad he can't coach as well as he can talk. In eight years, Edwards winning percentage is just .422 and is 2-4 in his six playoff games in that span. While he does have four winning seasons on his resume, he has twice as many years with double-digit losses than wins.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Ha. I knew you'd respond to this, because you're still floating around in fantasyland. OF COURSE Herm's going to say that he wanted Gun and Solari all along. You really think the day after Gun was hired, Herm is going to go to the media and throw a shit fit and scream and cuss about how Gunther Cunningham is a dipshit? Of course Peterson and Herm are going to say that Gun and Solari were Herm's choices. And to a limited extent, it might be true. I'm sure Herm sat down with both those guys, liked what he heard, and said he was okay with hiring either one of them. But that's not the way it's supposed to work. It was Carl Peterson's job to give Herm Edwards options. And Carl Peterson did not bring in a single coach outside of Kansas City to interview for coordinator positions. Being fine with hiring a coach, and being excited about hiring a coach are two entirely different things.

It was Carl Peterson's job to bring in options for Herm to look at. If Herm had a look at several coordinators and chose Gun and Solari, that'd be a different story. The fact that Peterson brought NOBODY in for a full week is a pretty strong indication that Peterson told Herm it was Solari/Gun or bust.

Saying that Carl Peterson had 100% control over who was hired and who was interviewed is not an assumption. It's a fact. Good GMs bring open competition for coaching vacancies. Carl Peterson had a history of refusing to bring in outside coaches/coordinators for interviews. If you still dispute that, answer me why when Greg Robinson was fired, the only guys the Chiefs interviewed were two of Vermeil's assistants and Gunther Cunningham. The fact that the two coordinators were hired without bringing in a single interview candidate outside the organization... that is Carl Peterson's fault.

Don't you think that maybe it was brought up before the hiring? I'm sure Carl said...."Hey Herm....we're going to bring you in as our headcoach but we want to keep Solari as your OC and Gun as your DC. You can either accept that or not accept the job".

According to you it went..."Hey Herm...welcome to the Chiefs! You're stuck with Solari and Gun.....GOTCHA BITCH!"

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Don't you think that maybe it was brought up before the hiring? I'm sure Carl said...."Hey Herm....we're going to bring you in as our headcoach but we want to keep Solari as your OC and Gun as your DC. You can either accept that or not accept the job".

According to you it went..."Hey Herm...welcome to the Chiefs! You're stuck with Solari and Gun.....GOTCHA BITCH!"

Well, keep in mind that Herm and CP were best friends coming into the Chiefs relationship, and worst enemies by the time both left. And their relationship soured because Peterson never listened to Edwards. That, to me, suggests that Herm did not realize that Peterson was going to turn out to be the ultra-stubborn ass that he was in his final years. So I don't think it's outrageous to think that he didn't know before being hired that he'd be stuck with the same coordinators.

But again, I don't think Herm was terribly upset about hiring either one. But the point I continue to make is that he should have been given the choice to openly interview multiple candidates and choose the best one. The failure to bring other candidates in falls squarely from up-top. Yes, it's an assumption, but I think a lot of us would agree that if there was an open competition for the coordinator position, it is highly doubtful that he would have hired both Gun and Solari.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Well, keep in mind that Herm and CP were best friends coming into the Chiefs relationship, and worst enemies by the time both left. And their relationship soured because Peterson never listened to Edwards. That, to me, suggests that Herm did not realize that Peterson was going to turn out to be the ultra-stubborn ass that he was in his final years. So I don't think it's outrageous to think that he didn't know before being hired that he'd be stuck with the same coordinators.

But again, I don't think Herm was terribly upset about hiring either one. But the point I continue to make is that he should have been given the choice to openly interview multiple candidates and choose the best one. The failure to bring other candidates in falls squarely from up-top. Yes, it's an assumption, but I think a lot of us would agree that if there was an open competition for the coordinator position, it is highly doubtful that he would have hired both Gun and Solari.

You are full of shit.

When Herman ****ing Edwards was hired, he was allowed to interview all the staff left over from teh Vermeil regime, and allowed to send the ones he chose not to have on his staff walk.

He kept the members of the staff that he wanted.

You are a ****tard.

[Chiefnj2]

Herm didn't have the balls to come in and get rid of Solari because the offense was flying high prior to his arrival. If he didn't keep some of the old staff he would faced a lot of pressure and Herm likes to deflect. When it didn't work it, hey- it wasn't me, it's the first year OC I hired. Herm said they weren't going to change the offense and they ****ing neutered it and killed it.

[HemiEd]

Short of DTs and Joes passing, Herm is the worst thing that ever happened to this team.

[smittysbar]

God some people just can't get it........

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Herm didn't have the balls to come in and get rid of Solari because the offense was flying high prior to his arrival. If he didn't keep some of the old staff he would faced a lot of pressure and Herm likes to deflect. When it didn't work it, hey- it wasn't me, it's the first year OC I hired. Herm said they weren't going to change the offense and they ****ing neutered it and killed it.

It was an easy way for him to deflect blame when he failed as usual!

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

His claim was that Herm had a chance to rebuild and only won 6 games in 2 seasons.

The truth is, Herm wanted to rebuilt immediately and especially after the first season and Peterson outright refused to listen. And so, in 2008, it was two years too late and the team was in complete disarray. This is pretty much common knowledge right now. And to make matters worse, our GM did ZERO due diligence on the entire coaching staff and hired the two coordinators from within instead of at least looking at outside options.

The truth is, Herm inherited a shitty team and was never given much opportunity to make it his own. I don't know how anyone can claim otherwise, no matter what you think about his coaching style.

I'd really like for you to show me where Herm wanted to tear it down year one and was overruled by Carl. I want direct quotes here because I've never, ever heard that except for bullshit conspiracy theories. I don't think Carl wanted to tear it down, but I sure as hell don't think Herm did either.

Herman Edwards has NEVER built a football team on his own that was successful. Ever. He inherited Parcells and Al Groh's leftovers. He left the Jets in a mess just like he left the Chiefs.

What exactly was he building with the Chiefs? They were the worst second half team I have ever seen. He went through QB's like water. He never, ever had a functional defensive gameplan. The playoff game that he lucked into showed how truly stubborn of an idiot he is.

So the GM hired Herm's assistants? Is that what you are telling me? Herm wanted Gunther in NY before the 2004 season.

It just has to ****ing stop already. Herm is a massive failure, who was praised for his ability to build a defense because of his "Tampa connections" and this defense was pure dogshit with the players he acquired. In Herm's first ****ing game at Arrowhead, he decides to basically piss all over the see of red and wear white. It wasn't a hot day, there wasn't ridiculous humidity. He just changed for the sake of change.

If you are a Chiefs fan, and you defend that asshole or are sorry to see him go, please burn all your Chiefs shit and find a new team so we can have every single dark cloud away from this ****ing team and fanbase. Thank you.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

...Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs...

He should have retired as a career-long Chief.