Teicher: Dorsey says Chiefs could draft Joeckel and re-sign Albert

[Tribal Warfare]

Dorsey says Chiefs could draft Joeckel and re-sign Albert
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
General manager John Dorsey said Saturday the Chiefs might select Texas A&M’s Luke Joeckel with the first pick in the draft even if they re-sign Branden Albert, their incumbent left tackle. Dorsey said the Chiefs would draft the highest-rated player they have on their board regardless of his position.

“Then you have great competition at left tackle,’’ said Dorsey, speaking at the NFL Scouting Combine, of the combination of re-signing Albert and drafting Joeckel . “Who’s to say both of those guys are locked in to playing left tackle? Maybe one plays left guard, center, right guard, right tackle. You put your best five offensive linemen out there.

“There are so many options out there right now. Anything is possible.’’

Another interesting option for the Chiefs is Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones, who had 28 sacks over the past two seasons. The Chiefs already have Pro Bowlers at outside linebacker in Tamba Hali and Justin Houston.

“They’re both pretty good players,’’ Dorsey said of the incumbents. “But who’s to say you couldn’t acquire another outside linebacker and what you could do is begin to rotate them. What you do is you make that unit better because they’re all fresher. They’re not on the field pounding all the time. That’s the thing about building quality depth. You can make your guys fresher in the fourth quarter.’’

[Hootie]

Pioli drafted enough OL and DL the past four years I think we'll be ok

we potentially have Albert, Allen, Asamoah, Hudson, Winston and Stephenson who were all high picks or pricy free agents. I think we're set at OL.

I don't know what the **** they are going to do about Dorsey or Jackson and frankly I don't give a shit since we were signing nobody's off the street who outperformed those two miserable ****s anyways...but I certainly will not be happy if we waste yet ANOTHER top 5 pick (#1 this time) on a ****ing DL in the 3-4 when we just drafted Poe last year at #11.

so that leaves QB, TE, WR, DB, LB and correct me if I'm incorrect but I believe we had 3 pro bowl LB's last year? Pretty sure we don't need to draft any of those for the first few rounds, either.

so yeah...

QB, WR or DB at #1...if there is another Eric ****ing Berry in this draft by all means...take him #1. cool. don't give a shit

if we take Joeckel or a DL it'll be another waste of a premier pick

yayayayaya go Chiefs

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I loved Vermeil and I thought he was an awesome coach. Fantastic.

Our offense was great year in and year out...I loved it. Eddie Kennison was underrated.

but you disagree? Trent had a ton of opportunities in 2004 and I used to remember thinking on those final drives we were ****ed. And we usually were.

We either led 14 or 15 games in the 4th quarter that year and won 7 games. I realize our defense was a disaster but our #1 offense had plenty of chances to win games and couldn't once we had to abandon our running game.

2005 still eats at me because I think we could have went on a run if we got into the playoffs...

that Dallas game will forever hurt to think about it...one of my worst memories as a Chiefs fan...the Surtain dropped pick 6...the LJ block and whiff that led to a 14 point swing...the Tynes miss that would have forced OT...we'd win that game 19 times out of 20 and the 1 time we managed to lose it it ****ed us right out of the playoffs...

we would have won a playoff game that year

The reason that's unfair is the offense was asked to do that every single week. That's almost not an exaggeration. If you gave John Elway that defense, he wouldn't save you every time. You're playing a slanted game.

Despite that, in the 2004 season, for instance... Trent Green was tied for 4th in the league in 4th quarter comebacks. I wouldn't put him up there with Montana or Elway but he wasn't a complete choke artist either. He was top 10 in 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives 3 of the last 4 years under DV. And the year he wasn't was 2003, where the team won 13 games... and he made some great clutch plays.

[Hootie]

I would certainly take Deion Sanders #1 overall if someone was a Deion Sanders in this draft...whatever.

If Tavon Austin runs a 4.2 40 and lights up the combine and Reid thinks "wow, he is better than Percy Havin" and truly doesn't like these QB's than reach for Austin and I'll be ok with it...

if we let Albert walk and draft Joeckel it's a sideways move and it makes no ****ing sense whatsoever

if we take Warmack (lolololololol) we're admitting we ****ed up on either Allen, Asamoah or Hudson or 2 of the 3 or 3 of the 3...when you take a guard in the 2nd round that usually means he's the 2nd or 3rd best guard prospect in the draft...

pretty sure we're set at guard for the next 5 years

honestly...Pioli built this team the 1970s way...we're set on trenches...we're fine at trenches...don't need anymore trench players for the next few years

WE NEED GOD DAMN PLAYMAKERS

this entire draft should focus on playmakers and playmakers only...(and QB of course)

it should go:

1. Geno
2. playmaker
3. playmaker
3. playmaker
4. you guessed it
5. playmaker
6. don't give a shit
7. don't give a shit

I want, in whatever order after QB,

DB
DB
WR
WR
TE
BPA
BPA

again...in any order...

we need to be picking players from QB, WR, DB and TE...that is where we are weak.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I'd rather have Patrick Patterson than Tyson Jackson.

PLAYMAKERS

we've invested 3 high 1st round picks on our DL and they all ****ing suck...

I want a FOOTBALL PLAYER at #1...we're just fine at OL and DL. We don't ****ing need to spend anymore picks on those positions this year.

we need a QB and then a shit ton of speed and playmakers. We don't need any more trench players this year.

Well yeah if you're going to compare every lineman to Tyson Jackson, I'm never going to win this argument.

I'd take JJ Watt over Eric Warfield every day of the week.

But seriously... Champ Bailey, Surtain/Law, Revis, the Eagles all-star CB group... none of them won jack. Meanwhile the Giants, Packers, Niners, Steelers, Colts made a killing drafting and finding front 7 guys who can rush the passer. Most average fans couldn't name the starting CBs on most recent Super Bowl champs. You can't suck but they aren't that important. The Cowboys spent a ton of money on Brandon Carr... and they still didn't make the playoffs. The last time the CB was important was when the Patriots punched the Colts in the mouth 10 years ago.. then promptly changed the rules to neuter them.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tk13

Defensive linemen aren't playmakers? I'd say in the modern NFL them and pass-rushing LBs are probably the single most important position aside from the QB. Just because this franchise has been terrible at drafting them doesn't mean that the general idea is bad.

No, not all defensive linemen are playmakers. If you want to specify pass rushers, OK. But we just drafted a DT who flashed a little bit, and we cannot invest 1/1 in a ****ing 5 tech.

As much as you claim that this board overrates CBs, I think you've gone in the opposite direction that's just as flawed.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

The reason that's unfair is the offense was asked to do that every single week. That's almost not an exaggeration. If you gave John Elway that defense, he wouldn't save you every time. You're playing a slanted game.

Despite that, in the 2004 season, for instance... Trent Green was tied for 4th in the league in 4th quarter comebacks. I wouldn't put him up there with Montana or Elway but he wasn't a complete choke artist either. He was top 10 in 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives 3 of the last 4 years under DV. And the year he wasn't was 2003, where the team won 13 games... and he made some great clutch plays.

I just remember 2004 being a frustrating year.

Maybe I am a bit unfair to Trent...Trent is one of my favorite Chiefs of all time. I just never really trusted him to go out and win a game himself...not that he should have had to.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

Well yeah if you're going to compare every lineman to Tyson Jackson, I'm never going to win this argument.

I'd take JJ Watt over Eric Warfield every day of the week.

But seriously... Champ Bailey, Surtain/Law, Revis, the Eagles all-star CB group... none of them won jack. Meanwhile the Giants, Packers, Niners, Steelers, Colts made a killing drafting and finding front 7 guys who can rush the passer. Most average fans couldn't name the starting CBs on most recent Super Bowl champs. You can't suck but they aren't that important. The Cowboys spent a ton of money on Brandon Carr... and they still didn't make the playoffs. The last time the CB was important was when the Patriots punched the Colts in the mouth 10 years ago.. then promptly changed the rules to neuter them.

maybe I am being irrational about DL but I simply can't fathom this franchise spending YET ANOTHER top 5 pick (#1) on a DL in a 3 ****ing 4.

Pioli spent 4 years drafting lineman with all of our top picks. We are literally set for 5 years at OL if Albert re-signs.

So that means we have needs at QB!!!!, WR, TE and DB. We could throw in a luxury pick at the Belcher spot but honestly...when you have 3 pro bowl LBs you are pretty much set there as well.

so if we draft an OL or DL at #1 I'm going to be pissed as a diehard fan of the Chiefs.

I can live with BPA at QB, WR or DB, though. If there is an Ed Reed out there to team with our Eric Berry sign me up. I WANT PLAYMAKERS. GUYS WHO MAKE PLAYS TO WIN GAMES.

I don't think I have ever seen a snap Tyson Jackson or Glenn Dorsey has played in the pros where I thought "oh my that is a play that might win us a game!"

I think I saw Dontari Poe make a really good tackle for a loss last year which was more than we got out of Glenn and Tyson for their entire career.

[BossChief]

IF we can get a 23 year old Trent Green with that top pick, it would be better than getting a Jonathan Ogden or Joe Thomas.

No question.

[Hootie]

I swear to God

if someone could guarantee to me that if we draft a LT at #1 he'd give us 10 prime years of Willie Roaf...and that was a guarantee

OR

we could take the #1 QB prospect and he could either turn into Aaron Rodgers, Trent Green or Joey Harrington...and probably more likely to be Harrington than Rodgers

I'd choose QB 10 times out of 10 this year because WE NEED TO DRAFT A QB AND ROLL THE DICE ONE TIME IN THIS FRANCHISE'S HISTORY.

[tk13]

I don't think I'm being unrealistic. The CB position is a neutered position. It's not their fault. The NFL isn't going to let them play anymore. And it's only going to get worse.

The Seahawks have a great secondary. Really great... and the Falcons still sliced through them in the playoffs. The Ravens started two CBs in the Super Bowl that were drafted in rounds 5 and 7... and neither by the Ravens. The Giants won two Super Bowls with average corners and Peter Giunta coaching them up.

[Hootie]

I think you can say that about any position on defense...

either way, whatever

I'd rather have a DB at #1 than Luke Joeckel or any DL.

[tk13]

I'd add the only team with a great CB to win a title was the Packers with Charles Woodson... and he missed the 2nd half of that game hurt. Pat Lee, a late 2nd round pick, stepped in.

That's not to say I wouldn't love to have someone like Revis. But you can't put the biggest focus of your defensive $$ into the CB position.

Dorsey really shouldn't give one second of thought to who this team has drafted in the past. That's just the nature of it.

[O.city]

Eh, give me a DL who can get to the Qb and I'll take that over a CB.

IMO, to win in the league you need

A QB who can win games for you
A LT
An elite pass rush.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

No it's really not. Look dude, I get it. You don't like Geno. Thats fine. But you backtracking on what you said a month ago and justifying any player at 1 other than him is getting pretty old.

Every QB that has been brought up, other than Smith, you are ok with.

You think Mayock was right about Geno, but you think he was wrong about not having Wilson in his top 5. He actually likes Landry Jones more than Wilson. You probably think thats bullshit and would likely say opposite on here.

Yet if you do, people don't call you out on it etc, like you do when people say positive things about Geno.

This franchise hasn't drafted a QB in the first round in 30 years. We have the first overall pick and have no excuse not to take a QB and alot of guys on here are excited and really like the top rated QB. You seem to take a huge offense to that.

Now, yeah, most of them go over board when talking about Smith. But with what the franchise has put us thru in terms of QB's, who gives a shit? Let them have their fun if they want, I'd say it's deserved.

Not at all. I have Smith as 3rd on my board. I just don't think he walks on water and that he is the only QB in this entire draft that is worth a shit, as some elaborate on the board.

I want one of the best QB's in the draft. That doesn't mean one of them won't be there at 34.
If Geno lights it up tomorrow and at his pro day and becomes a top 10 pick, then take him 1st overall, but right now that's just not the case, as hard as that is to swallow.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by tk13

Well yeah if you're going to compare every lineman to Tyson Jackson, I'm never going to win this argument.

I'd take JJ Watt over Eric Warfield every day of the week.

But seriously... Champ Bailey, Surtain/Law, Revis, the Eagles all-star CB group... none of them won jack. Meanwhile the Giants, Packers, Niners, Steelers, Colts made a killing drafting and finding front 7 guys who can rush the passer. Most average fans couldn't name the starting CBs on most recent Super Bowl champs. You can't suck but they aren't that important. The Cowboys spent a ton of money on Brandon Carr... and they still didn't make the playoffs. The last time the CB was important was when the Patriots punched the Colts in the mouth 10 years ago.. then promptly changed the rules to neuter them.

JJ Watt is not just an exception to the rule, he's THE exception to the rule. You won't find another 3-4 defensive end like him ANYWHERE.

So stop looking for his clone because it doesn't exist.