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Old 08-18-2016, 07:52 AM  
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Carr's offensive line allowed him to do things that were relative luxuries for Bortles and Bridgewater, like breathe in the pocket without fearing for his life. Carr was pressured on only 21.6 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest rate among starting quarterbacks. A quarterback who gets the ball out quickly can distort that number (see: Tom Brady), but other metrics suggest that wasn't the case with Carr. He took 2.44 seconds before his typical pass, 15th in the league. Carr's average throw traveled 7.67 yards in the air, which was slightly below league average and one full yard deeper than the typical Bridgewater pass (6.66)...


It's another Oakland credo to go after enormous receivers. Carr's average pass went to a receiver who was 74.3 inches tall (a little over 6 feet 2), giving him the fourth-largest receiving corps in football. (Jacksonville's grouping was third.) Sadly, they weren't always his friends. Oakland's pass-catchers, which will return virtually unchanged in 2016, dropped 5.1 percent of Carr's throws last year. That was the fifth-worst rate in the league. It's hard to see these receivers combining to drop as many passes in 2016, particularly Cooper, who should be healthier after struggling through plantar fasciitis a year ago. While analyses suggesting Cooper dropped 18 passes seem off the mark, ESPN Stats & Information has Cooper down for 10 drops on 126 targets, the second-highest total in the league behind Tampa's Mike Evans.

The one perhaps concerning quirk surrounding Carr's 2015 season is what happened as it went along: Namely, Carr got worse. A lot worse. His QBR during Weeks 1-9, covering Oakland's first eight games, was 11th in the league at 66.6. During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers. Only Bortles, coincidentally, was worse. Carr's decline came under duress. He had the league's lowest pressure rate during the first half of the year, at 17.6 percent. Over the final eight weeks, that pressure rate leaped up to 25.0 percent. That was only eighth in the league, but it was enough to help throw Carr off track....


There is something that will have to improve, though, fluke or otherwise: Late in games, for whatever reason, Carr was a mess. He posted a 19.9 QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime, which was the second-worst mark in the league ahead of Nick Foles. Bortles, one spot ahead of Carr, finished at 31.2. Seven of Carr's 13 picks came in the fourth quarter and OT, despite the fact that he threw only 31 percent of his passes during that time frame. Only Matthew Stafford had a higher interception rate in the fourth quarter/OT (6.8 percent) than Carr (5.3 percent).
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Old 08-19-2016, 01:57 PM   #196
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Right now, for this season, this team, id hesitantly take Smith. I know hes not going to &@%$ it up, but I also know everything else has to go perfectly due to his passiveness as a medium to downfield passer.

Carr right now, this soon, could %$#@ it up, but long term Id take him easily over a caretaker type QB like Smith.
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Why?

We don't have an elite defense without Houston. We may not even have an elite d with him. If Smith doesn't have an elite d KC won't do much damage.
Why? Not sure what your asking. Why I would take Carr in the long run but take Smith this year? I just think Carr has a higher ceiling. Hes only has two years experience. Maybe he stinks it up and never becomes anything, but so far I think the higher probability is he improves to some degree over his career and Id bank when he does plateau he will be a better QB than what Smith is right now in his golden years.

Smith to me is a good game manager. Maybe even the league standard right now for game managers. Thats great when everything is firing on all cylinders, but things dont always go as planned. Especially when advancing in the playoffs. Sometimes you need the one guy that touches the ball every play make something happen NOW. Not some clock killing 6 minute drive with 7 minutes left down by two scores. Its not his fault, thats just not his game. Things didnt go perfect that day and when that happens hes just not the guy to make something big happen to sway the momentum back in your favor. He didnt crack, or screw up, he stayed true to his game and marched them down the field in typical fashion. Even made the final score look good, but he had no chance of actually winning the game.
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Why? Not sure what your asking. Why I would take Carr in the long run but take Smith this year? I just think Carr has a higher ceiling. Hes only has two years experience. Maybe he stinks it up and never becomes anything, but so far I think the higher probability is he improves to some degree over his career and Id bank when he does plateau he will be a better QB than what Smith is right now in his golden years.

Smith to me is a good game manager. Maybe even the league standard right now for game managers. Thats great when everything is firing on all cylinders, but things dont always go as planned. Especially when advancing in the playoffs. Sometimes you need the one guy that touches the ball every play make something happen NOW. Not some clock killing 6 minute drive with 7 minutes left down by two scores. Its not his fault, thats just not his game. Things didnt go perfect that day and when that happens hes just not the guy to make something big happen to sway the momentum back in your favor. He didnt crack, or screw up, he stayed true to his game and marched them down the field in typical fashion. Even made the final score look good, but he had no chance of actually winning the game.
He did until Knile Davis fumbled it away.
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Carr is a "slinger" while not being a game manager.



Smith is a game manager while not being a "slinger."




Yeah bro. He was slinging it......



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That's mostly due to our defense and special teams setting the offense up with favorable field position.


And by the offense not putting the defense in bad positions.... But you always forget that. Just like when Alex arrived you swore he wouldn't have a top 10 defense to rescue him, yet here you are slurping the defense. Guess Alex is just so lucky since 2011 to have a top 10 defense at his disposal that he in no way shape or form helps. Am I rite?


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Why? Not sure what your asking. Why I would take Carr in the long run but take Smith this year? I just think Carr has a higher ceiling. Hes only has two years experience. Maybe he stinks it up and never becomes anything, but so far I think the higher probability is he improves to some degree over his career and Id bank when he does plateau he will be a better QB than what Smith is right now in his golden years.

Smith to me is a good game manager. Maybe even the league standard right now for game managers. Thats great when everything is firing on all cylinders, but things dont always go as planned. Especially when advancing in the playoffs. Sometimes you need the one guy that touches the ball every play make something happen NOW. Not some clock killing 6 minute drive with 7 minutes left down by two scores. Its not his fault, thats just not his game. Things didnt go perfect that day and when that happens hes just not the guy to make something big happen to sway the momentum back in your favor. He didnt crack, or screw up, he stayed true to his game and marched them down the field in typical fashion. Even made the final score look good, but he had no chance of actually winning the game.

We don't have an elite d like Denver to carry a game manager.
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And by the offense not putting the defense in bad positions.... But you always forget that. Just like when Alex arrived you swore he wouldn't have a top 10 defense to rescue him, yet here you are slurping the defense. Guess Alex is just so lucky since 2011 to have a top 10 defense at his disposal that he in no way shape or form helps. Am I rite?


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He could really help them by scoring more points
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He could really help them by scoring more points


Not arguing that point at all....


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He did until Knile Davis fumbled it away.
Thats my point. The fumble happened at the start of the 3rd. Too big a mistake for this team to overcome. It stinks when a fumble in the 3rd QTR is the dagger in the back in a relatively close game. The Pats merely held serv the rest of the way. Thats why longrun Id take Carr, etc over a proven consistent game manager. It wasnt Smiths fault, but things basically do have to go perfect. Once cylinder misfires and thats all she wrote.
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Yet hasn't had a losing record as Chiefs qb, despite the fact that you claimed he couldn't win without a top 10 defense.


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and indeed when that defense falters, he loses

which is what will happen this year, again
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which is what will happen this year, again


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Understand that the defense will still play well enough to win.

Alex will not.
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Is Smiff a mormon? Are you Smiff ballwashers mormons? Is that the reason you guys act this way? It's truly puzzling.
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Isn't he a San Diegan? I think he played on the same HS team as Reggie Bush.
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